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 on: Today at 01:34:37 pm 
Started by Nathan Riddle - Last post by Tim McCulloch
You're right, I don't want to go out and get something complicated that won't help me out. I just find myself sometimes being asked if I can cover for 3k people and unless I can do it myself it's not worth hiring out.

So If I can efficiently obtain something like 6x TH118's and 2x SH96HO (or the PG line) then I'd be set for when those events arise and in 10-15 gigs I could theoretically have it paid off.

To top it off, I'm curious as to what I could do with what I have now (or a little extra).

But this is all conjecture and mental masturbation (as JR calls it) as I won't be there for a few years.

I take it as a learning experience.

I haven't evaluated (in the shop or as a solo device) any Danley product introduced since 2012 so I may not have a fair or good grasp on what various models will do, performance-wise, but I'm skeptical that a pair of SH96 would cover 3,000 people at rock show levels and I'm certain that unless you got them up in the air and aimed down, you will have the same coverage issues as with any other ground stacked conventional system or dash array (although I'd expect the SH96 would have more even tonality).

We're not in the market for DSL products so I don't pester dealers for demos with their limited inventory but if Mike Hedden wants to send me some gear to play with I'd be happy to take it out and evaluate.  ;)

There is an arena install of DSL products that I have evaluated for the end client who found a number of issues that I ascribe to the system design and very poor installation supervision (I think the steel contractor mis-read the prints and put speakers in the wrong places and aimed incorrectly).  In my report I didn't throw DSL under the bus because with the installation issues it's impossible to evaluate the speaker system until the installation issues are fixed (which will be never).  Report was accepted, filed, and I got paid.  End of story.  Oh, and the SH96HO was used extensively in the design and there are 12 or 16 of them for a 9,000 capacity arena, so I hope you understand why I'm skeptical that a pair will cover 3,000 adequately.

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 on: Today at 01:33:23 pm 
Started by M. Erik Matlock - Last post by M. Erik Matlock
I am collecting the worst of the worst for an upcoming article. Looking for tragic things we have witnessed in churches that took it upon themselves to install their own systems. Not wanting to embarrass anyone. Don't need specifics, just the most unbelievable encounters with church sound systems.

Allow me to demonstrate...

A service call to fix a system in rural Georgia found me standing in the center aisle, unable to contain the horrified shock on my face. Directly above the pulpit was a sheet of plywood with about 25-30 car stereo speakers screwed to it.

Later, in about the same area, I found another church with two Fender guitar amps hanging on the back wall from coat hooks. They claimed it didn't get loud enough to cover 250 seats.

There are plenty more. But, let's hear yours...

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 on: Today at 01:31:59 pm 
Started by Pete Erskine - Last post by Keith Broughton
Keith Hall showed me this at NAB.  Got one and it is truly amazing.  The Connectors do not have an up or down side - they plug in either way like a Lightning cable.  Testing one in daily use for a couple of weeks and if it survives, I am chucking all my micro USB cables

Micro USB universal
Interesting but isn't this a solution looking for a problem?  ;)

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 on: Today at 01:25:52 pm 
Started by Steve Garris - Last post by Steve Loewenthal
My 6 year old earbuds died (probably a short that can be fixed, but..) so I'm looking for a new pair.
I'm looking for ones with ambient ports built in.
I read some reviews on the Westone AM Pro 10 (and 20, 30) and it appears that with something like this I can give up the 1 bud + 1 ear plug (like the etymotics ER20)
Anyone else used earbuds with ambient ports?

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 on: Today at 01:14:49 pm 
Started by Nick Enright - Last post by Nick Enright
It looks like an older EV SRO 15B - but that's only going by what it "looks" like basket, magnet, etc.

Casey

Thanks!
nick

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 on: Today at 12:46:46 pm 
Started by Bob Cap - Last post by Jordan Wolf
Tim & Brian, I feel your pain everyday.


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 on: Today at 12:46:40 pm 
Started by Nathan Riddle - Last post by Nathan Riddle
Nathan, in general "dash" arrays (too short to be a line, get it?) suck, mostly because they're not flown.  Flown dashes are better and offer some hope of more even coverage but still represent a compromise and the HF/MF will outrun the LF performance until you have enough LF cone area (meaning a longer dash/line).

Our shop is invested heavily in vertical arrays and we very seldom send out dash deployments (although we do, mostly for competitive reasons - if we don't give the customer what he/she wants they will find a vendor who does) and we almost never ground stack them unless it's the *only* way to do the gig.

I cannot emphasize enough that ground stacked dashes suck.  Period.  I heard one last year, HDL20a rig, 4 or 5 elements on top of a sub/side in a 5000 seat auditorium for a church conference.  To call it painful would be charitable.  Laser beam HF that would make the old JBL jealous.  It was the deployment, not so much the product, that made it so.

But this is a customer service business and if, after educating the client as to why ground stacked dashes are not really what they need, take their money and do the best you can under the circumstances.

As to whether or not you should buy a system, I'd say no.  If I were starting out today as a sole operator I'd have a conventional rig for most of my work and hire in line arrays or bigger conventional systems as needed.  Own the stuff that goes out most often and that makes a difference for your client - front fills, delay ring speakers, nice looking hardware (stands, cases, cables), etc.  The profit is in the service you provide which is mostly personal experience & knowledge.  Some products make it easier to deliver your services or are more/less appropriate but the thing that makes audio successful is YOU.

You're right, I don't want to go out and get something complicated that won't help me out. I just find myself sometimes being asked if I can cover for 3k people and unless I can do it myself it's not worth hiring out.

So If I can efficiently obtain something like 6x TH118's and 2x SH96HO (or the PG line) then I'd be set for when those events arise and in 10-15 gigs I could theoretically have it paid off.

To top it off, I'm curious as to what I could do with what I have now (or a little extra).

But this is all conjecture and mental masturbation (as JR calls it) as I won't be there for a few years.

I take it as a learning experience.

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 on: Today at 12:44:02 pm 
Started by Nick Enright - Last post by Casey McDonald
a friend of mine has a cabinet that this driver fit in, it shows no continuity, is there a re-cone? or alternately what driver is it and what are the specs?

Thanks!
Nick

It looks like an older EV SRO 15B - but that's only going by what it "looks" like basket, magnet, etc.

Casey

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 on: Today at 12:41:35 pm 
Started by Pete Erskine - Last post by brian maddox
Kevin took all the FCC info on last weeks published channel re-pack assignments, broke it down into a spreadsheet on the spectrum in NYC.

For My spectrum Planner spreadsheet with this information:

Spectrum Planner POST-REPACK.xls

That.  Is ugly...


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 on: Today at 12:33:17 pm 
Started by Nathan Riddle - Last post by Nathan Riddle
Buying new/used gear always gets the Mojo going. My only point to bring to this conversation is how do you plan to deploy the KF740? There will be lots of hiding costs that sometimes people forget about. Things like bumpers, shackles, spansets, lifts, extra cables, trucking etc will add up fast and always seem to take a back seat as the mind is always set on "shinny new toys".

To be clear, I do not plan on buying KF740's (or any line array for that matter) they were simply the benchmark for a rock/country act in an amphitheater/arena with seating for ~3k (I realize # of persons isn't a useful identifier, but bands/promoters love to use # of people, not dimensions and SPL).

I am glad you mentioned this for any lurkers.

JTR's Noesis 3TX mains might be an option, along with a few of the Orbit Shifters. Very portable, fairly lightweight, and tons of output. Just my $0.02

I didn't realize they were arrayable. That's awesome because I hold JTR in high regards.

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