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Hi All,
I hope this question is not too stupid, but, who sells Speakon Y splitter cables?
I am think of buying some Crown XTIs and JBL JRX speakers. The JRX do not have a pass through speakon connector and speakon Y cables do not seem to be easily found.
I have seen posts suggesting that I make them but I would prefer to avoid the hassle and potential deficiencies of that solution.
It seems off that the Y cables are rare and the speakers do not have a pass through build in and the crown amp only has one output speakon per channel.
Thanks in advance.
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Hi All,
I hope this question is not too stupid, but, who sells Speakon Y splitter cables?
I am think of buying some Crown XTIs and JBL JRX speakers. The JRX do not have a pass through speakon connector and speakon Y cables do not seem to be easily found.
I have seen posts suggesting that I make them but I would prefer to avoid the hassle and potential deficiencies of that solution.
It seems off that the Y cables are rare and the speakers do not have a pass through build in and the crown amp only has one output speakon per channel.
Thanks in advance.
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Hi Avraam-
Can you help us by describing your proposed wiring and tell us exactly which models of JRX you are considering? There may be alternative ways of wiring you are not aware of.
I do not recall ever seeing a commercially made NL-4 "Y" cable. I have seen some small metal boxes that have NL connectors with a variety of wiring arrangements (Y; routing various pins to different connectors, etc.) but they are fairly expensive, around US$ 80-$100.
Have fun, good luck.
Tim Mc
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The easiest solution is to get 2 banana to speakon adaptors. You can stack the banana plugs on top of each other at the amp.
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Hi All,
I hope this question is not too stupid, but, who sells Speakon Y splitter cables?
I am think of buying some Crown XTIs and JBL JRX speakers. The JRX do not have a pass through speakon connector and speakon Y cables do not seem to be easily found.
I have seen posts suggesting that I make them but I would prefer to avoid the hassle and potential deficiencies of that solution.
It seems off that the Y cables are rare and the speakers do not have a pass through build in and the crown amp only has one output speakon per channel.
Thanks in advance.
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In my experience, it is worth building them yourself. If you put it in a small plastic project box, you can wire it as a parallel pass-through and then also have a pin-shift output. This allows you to put the (Y) where you need it.
With 4-wire speakon, it can be handy to run a single cable over to the far side of a stage for instance, and then use the box to either split out to two cabinets from there as a typical (Y) would, or if you need to drive the other box on it's own, you use pin-set two for that at the amp end, then shift that signal onto pin-set one at the end of your long run.
If you simply need an additional physical speakon output at the amp, that is typically done in a patch panel on the amp rack. These can be built to any level of complexity you want, but it sounds like a single rack space panel with a handful of speakon panel mount connectors should get the job done for you. I've included a photo I found online of a simple example of a basic patch panel that would work for your needs.
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Hi All,
I hope this question is not too stupid, but, who sells Speakon Y splitter cables?
I am think of buying some Crown XTIs and JBL JRX speakers. The JRX do not have a pass through speakon connector and speakon Y cables do not seem to be easily found.
I have seen posts suggesting that I make them but I would prefer to avoid the hassle and potential deficiencies of that solution.
It seems off that the Y cables are rare and the speakers do not have a pass through build in and the crown amp only has one output speakon per channel.
Thanks in advance.
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If you're still in the considering stage, I'd consider something other than JRX, which are pretty terrible speakers. The Yamaha Club series is fairly comparably priced, and significantly better. Additionally they have 2 speakon sockets.
http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/global/en/products/speakers/clubv_series/specifications.jsp
It would be good for you to suggest your plan, because what you're trying to do may be accomplished better a different way - i.e. don't use more than one speaker per side.
If you're willing to consider backing up one more step, I'd be inclined to buy a pair of quality active speakers instead of the passive speakers/amp route. Sound quality will be MUCH better than the current gear you're looking at, and they'll be easier to setup and use, too.
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Hi All,
I hope this question is not too stupid, but, who sells Speakon Y splitter cables?
I am think of buying some Crown XTIs and JBL JRX speakers. The JRX do not have a pass through speakon connector and speakon Y cables do not seem to be easily found.
The best and most honest advice I can give you regarding your problem is not to buy JRX. They are mud-pits in a box. By upgrading to some more serviceable boxes you'll get the parallel connectors AND speakers that you won't hate after using them a time or two.
Seriously.
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TJ......
You beat me buy a few seconds.
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Hi All,
I hope this question is not too stupid, but, who sells Speakon Y splitter cables?
I am think of buying some Crown XTIs and JBL JRX speakers. The JRX do not have a pass through speakon connector and speakon Y cables do not seem to be easily found.
I have seen posts suggesting that I make them but I would prefer to avoid the hassle and potential deficiencies of that solution.
It seems off that the Y cables are rare and the speakers do not have a pass through build in and the crown amp only has one output speakon per channel.
Thanks in advance.
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Speakon cables are relatively easy to make yourself (Y or otherwise). If you can't make them, then you probably can't fix them. And if you can't fix them, life will get expensive for you :)
Seriously, though, don't JRX have a 1/4" and a speakon connector on the back of them? If so, just get a 1/4" to speakon cable and you should be good to go.
Of course, I'd *strongly* recommend against JRX cabinets. They sound terrible. Go with the JBL 400-series cabinets, at the very worst. Yeah, a little more money but JRX are total trash (well, IMO).
Cheers,
Randy Hyde
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We built our own Y adapters into a project box, but we looked at these as well.
http://www.gearboxpro.com/products
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We built our own Y adapters into a project box, but we looked at these as well.
http://www.gearboxpro.com/products
I have some of the boxes made by gearboxpro, they're nice.
Garry
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I would agree. Dont buy jrx. If you reallly need to go for it. Why not just add another speakon connector on the jrx box instead of y connectors. Or buy the Yamaha s. Its done for you.
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I would agree. Dont buy jrx. If you reallly need to go for it. Why not just add another speakon connector on the jrx box instead of y connectors. Or buy the Yamaha s. Its done for you.
Thank you everyone for the great advice.
Since everyone said JRX are really bad, I have dropped those from the plan.
The JBL PRX 400 series are not that much more and look like they would be better quality so I am thinking of those, because they are JBL and I can get them on Amazon. Probably the 412 to start.
I will see what those have for connectors before deciding what to do. I like being able to add additional speakers to a channel without too much hassle.
What I am trying to do is just put together a good home system. I like quality sound. Typical home equipment seems lacking.
The only thing in the pro sphere that I wish I could find would be a reasonably priced yet good three way speaker. Everything JBL makes is two way unless you want to go all the way to STX.
Many thanks again.
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What I am trying to do is just put together a good home system. I like quality sound. Typical home equipment seems lacking.
Avraam,
I consider the home a "critical listening" environment - that is, you need a very low self-noise floor. I don't think SR loudspeakers are the best way to go for your endeavor…
Similar threads have come up in the past…if you take a look around here at more-current posts, as well as archived posts, I think you'll come up with some good options.
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Thank you everyone for the great advice.
Since everyone said JRX are really bad, I have dropped those from the plan.
The JBL PRX 400 series are not that much more and look like they would be better quality so I am thinking of those, because they are JBL and I can get them on Amazon. Probably the 412 to start.
If you want good home theather go to best buy...
Or buy some studio monitors. Krk..or whatever. Even m audio. But really acoustic treatment would play a bigger role.
I will see what those have for connectors before deciding what to do. I like being able to add additional speakers to a channel without too much hassle.
What I am trying to do is just put together a good home system. I like quality sound. Typical home equipment seems lacking.
The only thing in the pro sphere that I wish I could find would be a reasonably priced yet good three way speaker. Everything JBL makes is two way unless you want to go all the way to STX.
Many thanks again.
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What I am trying to do is just put together a good home system. I like quality sound. Typical home equipment seems lacking.
I agree with the other responders. Pro audio gear - especially at the low end of the pricing scale - is a poor choice for home audio. Pro speakers trade off volume for sound quality; exactly the opposite of what you want in your home.
A pair of studio monitors would be a better choice.
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[size=78%]Everything JBL makes is two way unless you want to go all the way to STX.[/size]
As TJ (Tom) Cornish mentioned.... if you were to consider going the powered route, the JBL PRX635 is a 3 way cabinet.
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I agree with the other responders. Pro audio gear - especially at the low end of the pricing scale - is a poor choice for home audio. Pro speakers trade off volume for sound quality; exactly the opposite of what you want in your home.
A pair of studio monitors would be a better choice.
Indeed. Pro audio is the WRONG choice.....unless you live in a barn, and a large one at that.
Check this out:
http://tannoy.com/Residentialsummary.aspx
What you're looking for are usually termed "studio" or "near field" speakers, ones designed to sound really optimum close up, hence the "near field".
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I agree wit the others here. You don't want these cabs in our house unless you are living in a dorm. Then go ahead.
If you are set on a non-standard approach to home theatre, ou can easily find studio monitors that will be plenty loud and sound great in your space. Search craigslist for Tannoy, Blue Sky, Genelec, or on the cheaper end KRK, Yamaha, and Fostex.
Crap, for what you would spend on buying MRX4xx cabs you could go to a real stereo shop and get some halfway decent HT speakers. Once you get out of the best buy/wal mart brands you will find some really nice stuff.
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I thought I was the coolest kid in college with a stereo SRX stack flanking my 32" tube.
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Indeed. Pro audio is the WRONG choice.....unless you live in a barn, and a large one at that.
Check this out:
http://tannoy.com/Residentialsummary.aspx
What you're looking for are usually termed "studio" or "near field" speakers, ones designed to sound really optimum close up, hence the "near field".
+1 for tannoy...great sound and price...better sounding monitors i have heard in a long time, and at a phenomenal price...
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Why not just add another speakon connector on the jrx box instead of y connectors.
+1. Avoid unusual adapters/cables whenever possible. Add Speakons to any cabinet with only one set.
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If you insist on using Pro Audio speakers for your home theater rig, at least get something that will actually perform well in this application.
JTR makes several good choices: http://jtrspeakers.com/ (http://jtrspeakers.com/)
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If you insist on using Pro Audio speakers for your home theater rig, at least get something that will actually perform well in this application.
JTR makes several good choices: http://jtrspeakers.com/ (http://jtrspeakers.com/)
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Thanks for the advice. I will check out those speakers.
Monitors are what I thought would be the best choice. The LSR 6332 is 3K for a pair and that is more than I can budget for the next month or three. . I am just looking for a happy ( not too expensive ) medium .
But speaking of the LSR - "Dynamic Braking" - is that really a useful feature? Why would you need that with a high damping factor?
Here is the blurb:
252G Low Frequency Transducer
The neodymium 12" woofer is based on JBL patented Differential Drive® technology. With the neodymium structure and dual drive coils, power com- pression is kept to a minimum to reduce spectral shift as power level increase. An added third coil between the drive coils acts as a dynamic brake to limit excess excursion and reduce audible distortion at the highest levels. The cone is made of a graphite polypropylene composite forming a rigid piston supported by a soft butyl rubber surround.
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Its all marketing hype to get you to pay for something that they were going to include anyway.
Heres a thought. Go to a store and blindly pick out a few speakers and listen to them. Pick the ones YOU like best. Not the ones that tell you to like them best.