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I know a lot of you are probably already doing this, but I think it's worth a mention for those who aren't.
Get rid of your tripods and mount the speakers on the poles that are already there. All it takes is a wall-mount speaker bracket and 2 clamps. This clamp is a GT Mini-360.
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All it takes is a wall-mount speaker bracket and 2 clamps. This clamp is a GT Mini-360.
Plus permission from the tent rental company to attach to their poles. There are definite liability issues.
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Are you checking with the tent provider before doing this?
I am not saying that a small speaker like you have in the image is going to be an issue. I just want to make sure everyone here is at least double checking with the tent vendor before doing this.
I have flown many things in many different types of tents, but I ALWAYS find out who is providing the tent and give them a call to make sure I am not breaking the contract with their/my client or making the structure unsafe.
Sean
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Are you checking with the tent provider before doing this?
I am not saying that a small speaker like you have in the image is going to be an issue. I just want to make sure everyone here is at least double checking with the tent vendor before doing this.
I have flown many things in many different types of tents, but I ALWAYS find out who is providing the tent and give them a call to make sure I am not breaking the contract with their/my client or making the structure unsafe.
Sean
Yes, I always check with tent company and it's never been an issue. The weight on the overall tent structure is negligible. The bracket and clamps are rated to hold loads in excess of any 12" speaker. It's actually a safer presentation for everyone since there are no cables or tripods on the ground.
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Do those (on stage) mounting brackets have the holes in them already to use those Global truss clamps? Did you have to get longer screws to go thru those holes for the clamps?
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Do those (on stage) mounting brackets have the holes in them already to use those Global truss clamps? Did you have to get longer screws to go thru those holes for the clamps?
Holes already there and yes, you'll need longer bolts. The ones that come with the clamps are too short
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Holes already there and yes, you'll need longer bolts. The ones that come with the clamps are too short
Thank you. Will have to give that a try. We already have the brackets I just couldn’t remember if they had the holes. We use them with the EV ZX1 mostly. We have been using pipe clamps, the Global truss pieces look real nice for this.
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I like the idea...very tidy :)
Is the speaker fastened to the spigot?
I have seen tents "jump" in sudden bad weather wind conditions!
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I have seen tents "jump" in sudden bad weather wind conditions!
That is my concern, if that tent looses it's integrity and starts flopping around, you've added a few extra projectiles into the mix.
I've witnessed a large tent collapse during a storm (with all my gear and a few hundred people inside), all I could do was throw the main breaker feeding the PA and then try to help some of the older attendees get out. Not a good situation at all.
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A few problems I can see here is:
1) You're limited on speaker placement to the location of the poles. What if I need to locate the speaker 2 ft. left or right of the poles?
2) Most of the shows I've done in tents involve mixing bands. Placing the speakers on tent poles behind the band doesn't interest me (although wedding planners would love it!).
-Mark
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A few problems I can see here is:
1) You're limited on speaker placement to the location of the poles. What if I need to locate the speaker 2 ft. left or right of the poles?
2) Most of the shows I've done in tents involve mixing bands. Placing the speakers on tent poles behind the band doesn't interest me (although wedding planners would love it!).
-Mark
Of course the mounting method & speaker placement has to conform to the needs of your event.
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I know a lot of you are probably already doing this, but I think it's worth a mention for those who aren't.
Get rid of your tripods and mount the speakers on the poles that are already there. All it takes is a wall-mount speaker bracket and 2 clamps. This clamp is a GT Mini-360.
Its raining with wind and I need to move my loudspeakers further into the tent....ooops wait I cant because they are strapped to the tent poles. Looks OK but I prefer to be able to grab my speaker on a stick and move real fast if need be.
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Its raining with wind and I need to move my loudspeakers further into the tent....ooops wait I cant because they are strapped to the tent poles. Looks OK but I prefer to be able to grab my speaker on a stick and move real fast if need be.
Geezzz.. I'm not saying this is for every gig. It's an OPTION that's worked for me on some gigs, but is not right for all. as with any information YMMV
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Geezzz.. I'm not saying this is for every gig. It's an OPTION that's worked for me on some gigs, but is not right for all. as with any information YMMV
I think it's a fine option, and it's the kind of option that will get you better-paying higher-class gigs.
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Geezzz.. I'm not saying this is for every gig. It's an OPTION that's worked for me on some gigs, but is not right for all. as with any information YMMV
Im sorry it came across negative. It can work fine for the right
setup and thanks for sharing that idea for everyone James.
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Wish that was able to help me at this gig. 30 one hundred seat tents with slanting poles phew! (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/15/qesy2eha.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/15/u4ytu8u9.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/15/7y8abama.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/15/ususyhap.jpg)
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Its raining with wind and I need to move my loudspeakers further into the tent....ooops wait I cant because they are strapped to the tent poles. Looks OK but I prefer to be able to grab my speaker on a stick and move real fast if need be.
Pop on your UnderCover rain bags? They have white ones too for that corpy look...
Jason
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Are you using 2" global trust clamps?
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Thanks for posting this. I like the idea a lot. A couple of points...
1) I would prefer using a bracket that connects via rigging points like the M10s on my K10s. This would be to avoid the unlikely, but possible situation where the tent bounces around causing the speaker to bounce off the pole mounting (also a possibility with tripods, but probably closer to the ground) and instead provide a mount that doesn't rely on gravity.
2) If you're able to suggest layout, having a tent with a stage under it at one end, and the audience in the middle and at the other end, running longways, you can ensure the stage is behind the speakers. In the OP picture, the seats would orient facing one end instead of one side. Obviously not an option here since half the audience is not under the tent. However, using that pic, there are 6 poles per side. The speakers could be mounted in the #2 spot and the stage between #1 and #2, audience between #2 and #6.
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I think it's a fine option, and it's the kind of option that will get you better-paying higher-class gigs.
Absolutely. This is the kind of option you should have available, especially for those delay loudspeakers that are towards the back of the tent.
Getting the big ugly tripod stands out of the way and getting your loudspeakers up in the air will definitely make you look better to your customers. The only thing I'd change would be to probably add a strap on the back side from the handle on top of the loudspeaker to the bracket so the loudspeaker can not "jump" off the mount. Otherwise, this is an ideal solution to the delay loudspeaker situation in a tent.
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Maybe it's just me, but telling people to fly on hardware they don't know the weight capacity of as well as just jimmy rigging clamps on poles seems like asking for trouble. (READ: Liability)
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Are you using 2" global trust clamps?
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Yes the GT Mini-360 is their smaller 2" clamp, rated at 225 #.
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Maybe it's just me, but telling people to fly on hardware they don't know the weight capacity of as well as just jimmy rigging clamps on poles seems like asking for trouble. (READ: Liability)
No one is telling anyone to do anything.
FYI:
Bracket rated for 100 lb load
Clamps rates for 225 lb each
EV ZLX 12p Speaker 35 lb.
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No one is telling anyone to do anything.
FYI:
Bracket rated for 100 lb load
Clamps rates for 225 lb each
EV ZLX 12p Speaker 35 lb.
Yes, but the pole is holding it all so you would need to know the weight limit. This all looks like an insurance claim waiting to happen to me.
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1) I would prefer using a bracket that connects via rigging points like the M10s on my K10s. This would be to avoid the unlikely, but possible situation where the tent bounces around causing the speaker to bounce off the pole mounting (also a possibility with tripods, but probably closer to the ground) and instead provide a mount that doesn't rely on gravity.
Absolutely... anything additional you can do to secure your specific speaker is a bonus. The other thing you can do with the K series is to use their mounting bracket that bolts to the top and bottom of cabinet.. Then bolt the clamps to the K bracket and you're rock solid.
2) If you're able to suggest layout, having a tent with a stage under it at one end, and the audience in the middle and at the other end, running longways, you can ensure the stage is behind the speakers. In the OP picture, the seats would orient facing one end instead of one side. Obviously not an option here since half the audience is not under the tent. However, using that pic, there are 6 poles per side. The speakers could be mounted in the #2 spot and the stage between #1 and #2, audience between #2 and #6.
The client's wishes as to orientation can limit the practicality of this. And in most cases, the tent is up before we get there.
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Yes, but the pole is holding it all so you would need to know the weight limit. This all looks like an insurance claim waiting to happen to me.
Adding 35 pounds to one of 14 2" poles supporting a structure is a negligible difference.
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Yes the GT Mini-360 is their smaller 2" clamp, rated at 225 #.
Awesome will give this a try!
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