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Title: Lightweight Passives
Post by: Bob Burke on March 23, 2014, 10:15:16 AM
Hello all.

  I did a search, but no luck. I need recommendations for light weight pole mount passive speakers to replace our 61# Yamaha S115Vs that are too heavy to haul, let alone get up on stands. Looks like I'll be limited to 12”, since most of the 15's are quite heavy.  We're a Classic Rock duo using backing tracks, so I do need some decent bottom end (I know – in 12” boxes?).

  Cost is a consideration, but I do want good sound. Mostly small bars, restaurants, Tiki bars, etc.

 I'm using a QSC1804 (600 watts/8 ohm).

Thanks.


Regards,


Bob

   
Title: Re: Lightweight Passives
Post by: Per Sovik on March 23, 2014, 10:44:37 AM
JBL PRX412
EV ELX112
Title: Re: Lightweight Passives
Post by: John Moore on March 23, 2014, 11:16:01 AM
http://www.dbtechnologies.com/EN/Products/arena/arena_12_p752.aspx (http://www.dbtechnologies.com/EN/Products/arena/arena_12_p752.aspx)

http://www.dbtechnologies.com/EN/Products/arena/arena_15_p753.aspx (http://www.dbtechnologies.com/EN/Products/arena/arena_15_p753.aspx)

12's and 15's not bad bang for the buck...we have put these in churches and schools and they sound good.
Title: Re: Lightweight Passives
Post by: Scott Olewiler on March 23, 2014, 03:02:49 PM
Hello all.

  I did a search, but no luck. I need recommendations for light weight pole mount passive speakers to replace our 61# Yamaha S115Vs that are too heavy to haul, let alone get up on stands. Looks like I'll be limited to 12”, since most of the 15's are quite heavy.  We're a Classic Rock duo using backing tracks, so I do need some decent bottom end (I know – in 12” boxes?).

  Cost is a consideration, but I do want good sound. Mostly small bars, restaurants, Tiki bars, etc.

 I'm using a QSC1804 (600 watts/8 ohm).

Thanks.


Regards,


Bob

 

Carvin PM153 . I also own 4 ELX112P and the Carvin sound much better. MUCH better. Weigh 40lbs and can handle a lot of power.
Title: Re: Lightweight Passives
Post by: Mike Pyle on March 23, 2014, 05:30:20 PM
Tannoy VX12.
Title: Re: Lightweight Passives
Post by: Dennis Wiggins on March 23, 2014, 07:00:20 PM
I like, and use, Peavey Impulse 1012 (NOT the PR12).

-Dennis
Title: Re: Lightweight Passives
Post by: Thomas Le on March 23, 2014, 07:03:58 PM
If you liked the Yamaha sound, have a look at the S112V / C112V.

If you want the real LF, nothing substitutes a sub. Look for the single 18" ones like the Yamaha SW118V.


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Title: Re: Lightweight Passives
Post by: Ian Appleby on March 23, 2014, 09:06:22 PM
Hello all.

  I did a search, but no luck. I need recommendations for light weight pole mount passive speakers to replace our 61# Yamaha S115Vs that are too heavy to haul, let alone get up on stands. Looks like I'll be limited to 12”, since most of the 15's are quite heavy.  We're a Classic Rock duo using backing tracks, so I do need some decent bottom end (I know – in 12” boxes?).



  Cost is a consideration, but I do want good sound. Mostly small bars, restaurants, Tiki bars, etc.

 I'm using a QSC1804 (600 watts/8 ohm).

Thanks.




Regards,


EV ZX5

Bob

 
Title: Re: Lightweight Passives
Post by: claude cascioli on March 25, 2014, 10:52:33 AM
see if you can find some used ev sx500 i owm 8 of them they are great loud punchy and clear and when your budget allows you can biamp them last year i used 4 perside with some double 18 subs and damm it was slammin and that was outdoors
Title: Re: Lightweight Passives
Post by: Thomas Le on March 25, 2014, 01:59:30 PM
see if you can find some used ev sx500 i owm 8 of them they are great loud punchy and clear and when your budget allows you can biamp them last year i used 4 perside with some double 18 subs and damm it was slammin and that was outdoors

4 per side? Sounds like a recipe for horrendous comb filtering!  :o Were you trying to get more dB or coverage?
Title: Re: Lightweight Passives
Post by: Steve M Smith on March 25, 2014, 04:33:07 PM
4 per side? Sounds like a recipe for horrendous comb filtering!

This is what people used to do before 'comb filtering' became a buzzword (or words).


Steve.
Title: Re: Lightweight Passives
Post by: Tom Roche on March 25, 2014, 05:46:58 PM
This is what people used to do before 'comb filtering' became a buzzword (or words).


Steve.
Were the effects any different?
Title: Re: Lightweight Passives
Post by: Ryan Grandusky on March 25, 2014, 05:51:17 PM
If you are looking for a budget speaker, I have to agree with Scott that you should consider Carvin's PM153 for light weight speakers. I have 6 of the older LM12 cabs (neodymium) that I use as lightweight wedges when I don't have to meet any rider requirements and they sound quite good. Two of them are are lighter than one of my Yamaha SM15V wedges.

That said I currently use a pair of ELX115's regularly as tops in my budget rig with the above mentioned Carvin wedges and am quite happy with them as tops. They are a good 20lbs lighter than the Yamaha club tops.

If you have the money and want top quality I would recommend the EV ZX5 as it is fairly lightweight and hard to beat in sound quality, but they are a good $1000+ each unless you can find them used.

Title: Re: Lightweight Passives
Post by: Steve M Smith on March 25, 2014, 06:00:25 PM
Were the effects any different?

No... but nobody noticed or mentioned it.  Today you only have to put two speakers next to each other and people run away with their hands over their ears screaming "aaggghh!! comb filtering!!",


Steve.
Title: Re: Lightweight Passives
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on March 25, 2014, 06:55:50 PM
Hello all.

  Cost is a consideration, but I do want good sound. Mostly small bars, restaurants, Tiki bars, etc.

 I'm using a QSC1804 (600 watts/8 ohm).

Thanks.
Regards,
Bob

There have been a couple mentions of a Carvin speakers.  I'll add another one to the mix.  I just received a Carvin TRC400A system that consists of four TRx 3903s and two TRx3018a subs.  Two tall, skinny speakers on top of a sub per side.  The sub is powered and contains the amps modules for the tops also.  Very easy to power and setup.

You could get just the tops and would do really well.  From my initial listening, I would say that the two tops works easily keep up with most 2x18" subs out there.  You could run them passive with your QSC amp just make sure to use a high pass filter as recommended.

The 3903s weight about 21lbs each so about 42lbs per side for a 5' high column......oh yeah, they are only about 5" wide so very little sight line issues pair the small venues.
Title: Re: Lightweight Passives
Post by: Edgar Hernandez on March 25, 2014, 08:31:30 PM
Hello all.

  I did a search, but no luck. I need recommendations for light weight pole mount passive speakers to replace our 61# Yamaha S115Vs that are too heavy to haul, let alone get up on stands. Looks like I'll be limited to 12”, since most of the 15's are quite heavy.  We're a Classic Rock duo using backing tracks, so I do need some decent bottom end (I know – in 12” boxes?).

  Cost is a consideration, but I do want good sound. Mostly small bars, restaurants, Tiki bars, etc.

 I'm using a QSC1804 (600 watts/8 ohm).

Thanks.


Regards,


Bob

 

Hi,
I really like EV ELX115p, self powered and not heavy at all.

Regards

Oh man! I just notice you are looking for passives, my bad, please disregard!
Title: Re: Lightweight Passives
Post by: Tim Perry on March 26, 2014, 12:04:57 AM
Weighing in at 46#  the EAW FR-129z  and AES 500 watts.  A max SPL of 130dB Fred -3dB @ 80 Hz.

http://eaw.com/docs/2_Legacy_Products/Loudspeakers/FR_Series/FR129z/FR129z_SPECS_rev1.pdf




Title: Re: Lightweight Passives
Post by: Scott Olewiler on March 26, 2014, 11:25:40 AM
There have been a couple mentions of a Carvin speakers.  I'll add another one to the mix.  I just received a Carvin TRC400A system that consists of four TRx 3903s and two TRx3018a subs.  Two tall, skinny speakers on top of a sub per side.  The sub is powered and contains the amps modules for the tops also.  Very easy to power and setup.

You could get just the tops and would do really well.  From my initial listening, I would say that the two tops works easily keep up with most 2x18" subs out there.  You could run them passive with your QSC amp just make sure to use a high pass filter as recommended.

The 3903s weight about 21lbs each so about 42lbs per side for a 5' high column......oh yeah, they are only about 5" wide so very little sight line issues pair the small venues.

The 3903 recommended crossover freq is 160hz (just something to keep in mind). People that own these columns seem to really love them.
Title: Re: Lightweight Passives
Post by: Art Welter on March 26, 2014, 02:21:15 PM
We're a Classic Rock duo using backing tracks, so I do need some decent bottom end (I know – in 12” boxes?).
Bob,

Unfortunately, decent bottom does not come from lightweight speakers.

Fortunately, there are plenty of subs with pole mounts that can be used to support lightweight top speakers, give you real low frequency, and weigh less than your current speakers. You could even bypass the crossover in your current Yamaha S115V speakers and use them upside down as subs, pole mounting lightweight speakers above them, smaller footprint and more stable than a tripod.

I am selling some lightweight top speakers hidden in the big list:

http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,148591.0.html

There are presently eight used Welter Systems 2x8T for sale. Only 26 pounds, compact: 22.5" tall x 11.25" wide, 8.25" & 14.25" (2 = 22.5" deep) four fit in a 22.5" cube. They can mount on a 1.5" pole or be used as floor monitors. Loaded with a pair of Eminence Alpha 8" and an APT50 on a conical 80 degree horn crossed at 3500 Hz, they do 97 dB one watt one meter +/- 4 dB 80 Hz to 20 kHz, 250/500 watts, 121/124 dB continuous/peak, 16 ohm.

The pair of 8" cones makes for a very smooth, coherent vocal presentation compared to the usual 12" or 15"/horn.