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Who in their right mind brings a $10,000 65 Gibson 335 on fly dates in the original case hoping they can always put it in overhead and that it won't get checked?
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/vintage-gibson-guitar-delta-baggage-leevees-214634001.html
Hope Delta pays for the damages and Gibson takes the guitar away from him for being such an irresponsible moron.
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Moron indeed. If you can afford a $10,000 guitar, you should be able to afford a full anvil flight case for it.
But, on the other hand, I hope the airline pays out the ass for it. Too many instruments, whether expensive or not, are being destroyed by ass hole airlines.
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Douche bag of the month club for sure. I've carried my guitars all over the word and have always been allowed to put them in the handing baggage compartment up front in first class. All you have to do is ask. 2K for repairs doesn't sound like much and as long as the neck isn't cracked or body split Gibson can make his 335 look like new. One thing is for sure though, this idiot doesn't deserve to own a $10K guitar.
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Moron indeed. If you can afford a $10,000 guitar, you should be able to afford a full anvil flight case for it.
But, on the other hand, I hope the airline pays out the ass for it. Too many instruments, whether expensive or not, are being destroyed by ass hole airlines.
I can say from experience that an Anvil case for guitars is nothing but a challenge for an airline forklift driver............. >:(
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I'd think that at that point, considering just buying a seat for your instrument would have to be a serious option-many classical musicians do so for their instruments, especially those vintage strings from a few hundred years ago.
John
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I'd think that at that point, considering just buying a seat for your instrument would have to be a serious option-many classical musicians do so for their instruments, especially those vintage strings from a few hundred years ago.
John
Some airlines have been clamping down on that, too, saying that a cello case (for example) can't be adequately restrained by a lap belt. Others will gladly sell you a seat for the instrument, but not grant frequent flyer/reward miles for non-human occupied seat tickets. One musician was threatened with forfeiture of HIS miles when the airline claimed he was trying to defraud them over miles acquired by the ticketing for his instrument.
FUCK the airlines. They are scum sucking leaches since deregulation.
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Douche bag of the month club for sure. I've carried my guitars all over the word and have always been allowed to put them in the handing baggage compartment up front in first class. All you have to do is ask. 2K for repairs doesn't sound like much and as long as the neck isn't cracked or body split Gibson can make his 335 look like new. One thing is for sure though, this idiot doesn't deserve to own a $10K guitar.
He did ask. He also asked if he could buy a seat for the guitar.
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He did ask. He also asked if he could buy a seat for the guitar.
It doesn't make any sense to me why they airlines would want to prevent someone from buying a full priced seat for an instrument that weighs just a few pounds compared to a full sized person. They are making the same amount of money, and have to carry less weight. It's a win-win for everyone. They just want to be dicks because they can.
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It doesn't make any sense to me why they airlines would want to prevent someone from buying a full priced seat for an instrument that weighs just a few pounds compared to a full sized person. They are making the same amount of money, and have to carry less weight. It's a win-win for everyone. They just want to be dicks because they can.
It all comes down to these companies are too big, and there probably isn't a manual on what the employees should do in a situation like this so they just say no.
On a side note, I used to to have to carry guitars on tour occasionally and they were always checked some of them one of a kind and +20K in value, but they ALWAYS had a custom flight case for them and we never had any issues.
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Here is an update to the story:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/delta-gibson-guitar-schneider-leevees-zambonis-203119266.html
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Here is an update to the story:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/delta-gibson-guitar-schneider-leevees-zambonis-203119266.html
From the article: "Delta also gave him a pair of free vouchers for future flights."
Watch for them on Craigslist. If I were him, I wouldn't fly on Delta again if they paid me to.
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What, no clever song and cute YouTube video?
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I'll be sure to let the Gibson folks know at NAMM this is encouraging stupid behavior. Fix his guitar, yes. And then send him a frick'in Epiphone back.
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I'll be sure to let the Gibson folks know at NAMM this is encouraging stupid behavior. Fix his guitar, yes. And then send him a frick'in Epiphone back.
LOL! Awesome!
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I'll be sure to let the Gibson folks know at NAMM this is encouraging stupid behavior. Fix his guitar, yes. And then send him a frick'in Epiphone back.
Ned, I don't think I'd be so harsh on him. According to the original article, he tried to buy a seat for the axe, and was refused.
1) Screw Delta
2) Praise Gibson
3) Give the Delta vouchers to the most obnoxious person you know.
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Chris -
the original article (from his POV) never pointed out if an extra seat was available. My whole point is that this guitar player's behavior is idiotic - traveling with a vintage guitar without a proper flight case (or purchasing a seat for it when he booked his flights) is just plain dumb. Delta did the right thing by paying for damages and vouchers; while it's great Gibson offered to fix up his vintage 335, I don't like that they are in effect encouraging stupid behavior.
It's akin to me bringing my 65 showman head on board with just the dust cover, finding out that there's no room in the overheads, and being surprised when my vintage amp head is destroyed in baggage. Just because he never had a problem before doesn't mean he shouldn't be prepared for it. I stand by my point -- Gibson is encouraging more stupid reckless people to travel with vintage gear totally unprepared for it.
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Chris -
the original article (from his POV) never pointed out if an extra seat was available. My whole point is that this guitar player's behavior is idiotic - traveling with a vintage guitar without a proper flight case (or purchasing a seat for it when he booked his flights) is just plain dumb. Delta did the right thing by paying for damages and vouchers; while it's great Gibson offered to fix up his vintage 335, I don't like that they are in effect encouraging stupid behavior.
It's akin to me bringing my 65 showman head on board with just the dust cover, finding out that there's no room in the overheads, and being surprised when my vintage amp head is destroyed in baggage. Just because he never had a problem before doesn't mean he shouldn't be prepared for it. I stand by my point -- Gibson is encouraging more stupid reckless people to travel with vintage gear totally unprepared for it.
The article says he was denied the purchase of a ticket for an "instrument seat."
Who pissed in your Cheerios? I understand that guitars are like children, but this seems emotionally over the top.
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I don't know why he was denied a seat, maybe because it was around the holidays and they gave priority to living people.
I have shipped or carried many guitars using the airlines in my lifetime, more than I can count, and the rule in my book is simple. Expect rough handling and pack accordingly. I agree with Ned on the case quality.
Gibson's cases, as good as they are, are not suited for airline travel unless that guitar is within eyesight at all times. My 10K Les Pauls won't travel unless they're in a case and with me in my car or truck, or in a locked unbreakable if you run it over with a truck type case.
I can't imagine how the guitar became caught where it shows in the picture, and maybe even the best case made wouldn't have help one bit, but those are all judgment calls and I would rather not take those chances based on the case quality.
I have to agree with Ned in that Gibson has greased the slope. You can't do for one without doing for all.
My children are all asleep in their cases right now waiting for the alarm to go off. And Tim, emotionally over the top is the time my wife threw my keys to me while playing my ES-355 Lucille. They hit the upper part of the body and left a good sized dent. I didn't speak to her for over a month.
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Who pissed in your Cheerios?
Never heard that one before - good one Tim!
I personally tire of people crying victim when they're partially to blame YET refuse to accept any responsibility for their actions (or inactions).