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Hello folks, I would like to get your opinion on a new sound system I will soon be purchasing. I'm pretty limited as far as the money I can spend so here are the 2 systems I was thinking about...
System A:
2x carvin TRX2218's
2x carvin TRX2153's
DBX Driverack PA
2x behringer nu6000's (lows, mids)
1x behringer nu3000 (highs)
behringer x32 digital console
or
System B:
2x Peavey SP2BX's
2x Peavey SP218BX's
DBX Driverack PA
2x behringer nu6000's (lows, mids)
1x behringer nu1000 (highs)
behringer x32 digital console
Essentially the only difference is going to be the speakers. What do you think? Carvin or Peavey?
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Hello folks, I would like to get your opinion on a new sound system I will soon be purchasing. I'm pretty limited as far as the money I can spend so here are the 2 systems I was thinking about...
System A:
2x carvin TRX2218's
2x carvin TRX2153's
DBX Driverack PA
2x behringer nu6000's (lows, mids)
1x behringer nu3000 (highs)
behringer x32 digital console
or
System B:
2x Peavey SP2BX's
2x Peavey SP218BX's
DBX Driverack PA
2x behringer nu6000's (lows, mids)
1x behringer nu1000 (highs)
behringer x32 digital console
Essentially the only difference is going to be the speakers. What do you think? Carvin or Peavey?
Read the rules, fix your display name.
Thank you for your cooperation.
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I don't have a strong opinion on either of the speaker choices you mentioned -- I think the Peavey would probably be peoples' preference around here, but that doesn't mean it's a better choice. The ideal scenario would be a head-to-head comparison, but I don't see how that could happen.
If you're not buying a snake, I assume you have some sort of wireless device for controlling the mixer -- mixing from the stage is not optimal.
At your scale, I wouldn't bother with tri-amping. That money would be better spent elsewhere, and you can always do it later.
Run away from the Driverack PA. The Behringer DCX2496 has proper limiting and better EQ, or buy amps with built-in DSP.
I'm assuming you're planning on the extra expenses of mics and stands, cables, DI's, racks, mixer case, etc.? Do you have monitors and monitor amps lined up?
Also, have you considered used speakers? You might get a bit more bang for the buck. Used Danley TH-115s seem to be going for around $1200. If you bought a pair of those and some mains more like the SP4 or SP6 used, then you could add another pair of subs later on without changing or adding to your mains.
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I don't have a strong opinion on either of the speaker choices you mentioned -- I think the Peavey would probably be peoples' preference around here, but that doesn't mean it's a better choice. The ideal scenario would be a head-to-head comparison, but I don't see how that could happen.
If you're not buying a snake, I assume you have some sort of wireless device for controlling the mixer -- mixing from the stage is not optimal.
At your scale, I wouldn't bother with tri-amping. That money would be better spent elsewhere, and you can always do it later.
Run away from the Driverack PA. The Behringer DCX2496 has proper limiting and better EQ, or buy amps with built-in DSP.
I'm assuming you're planning on the extra expenses of mics and stands, cables, DI's, racks, mixer case, etc.? Do you have monitors and monitor amps lined up?
Also, have you considered used speakers? You might get a bit more bang for the buck. Used Danley TH-115s seem to be going for around $1200. If you bought a pair of those and some mains more like the SP4 or SP6 used, then you could add another pair of subs later on without changing or adding to your mains.
Unfortunately your right, a head to head comparison just isn't going to happen. I would like to get more peoples opinions on this though as Ill probably go with what people recommend here.
Perhaps I should give you more of a background. Basically What I'm doing is looking to upgrade my mains and switch to a digital mixer. I mainly run sound for churches, coffeehouses and occasionally a few schools. Currently I have 2 PV115's and 2 PV 118's, so at this point pretty much anything would be an upgrade. As far as mics, stands, cables, Di's, racks and monitors go, I'm all set.
I have considered used gear, I do have an opportunity to purchase 4 Electro-Voice MTL-1's and 4 MTH-1's for an excellent price. It would be more expensive than the Carvin or Peavey systems, but I would halso have double the PA...
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For specific events, I have two sets of the second (?) generation TRX with neo drivers. For the price, I find them to be a solid performer and wouldn't hestitate to purchase them again. I've never heard the PV's. I would skip the tri-amp thing and spend a bit more money on better amps
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For specific events, I have two sets of the second (?) generation TRX with neo drivers. For the price, I find them to be a solid performer and wouldn't hestitate to purchase them again. I've never heard the PV's. I would skip the tri-amp thing and spend a bit more money on better amps
apparantly the 3rd gen TRX's... the TRX2000 series, no longer use the NEO drivers. I'm not sure if that means anything as far as the sound goes, but I know it will make them heavier. I know Carvin doesn't have the greatest reputation, but the new 3rd gen TRX cabs look killer and seem to have good specs. Man I wish i could hear them.
Im curious though, you all really don't think it's worth it to triamp the system? What if I did end up going with the EV MT-1 system, would triamping still be unnecessary?
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I heard the newer TRX line in action twice now. Same tops you are thinking about but the single 18 subs instead of the double 18 cabs, but they guy had 4 of them. They sounded pretty good, seem to be well balanced and full sounding, not to harsh on the high end and pleanty of low end. I'm not sure what crossover the guy was using on them or the crossover points he was using, he had a PreSonus mixer and was using Crown amps to push them but I am unsure what model was pushing what. I saw both XLS and XTi amps in his rack.
I have owned and heard several Peavey speakers but not the specific ones you are looking at so I can't comment on those.
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Well I will place my 2 cents in.
Firstly I would avoid the behringer amps.
They are rated at peak not rms... So when you compare them to other amps they are actual half the wattage or so that they state in the advertisement. When you compare amps with that knowledge you know that it’s a bad deal.
Crown crest qsc elect would be your best bet because they work and have honest ratings.
Also buy the light ones!!!!! I have a 100 and 400 pound amp rack sitting in my trailer.
Every time I have to move them I cry a little on the inside.
Personally I would go with the ev mt's for a couple reasons.
-one they are great boxes.
-two they have quality service and support.
-three they will meet most writers list (that you would ever deal with)
-also people know ev so they say to themselves cool he has ev boxes for whatever that’s worth.
as for dsp... I have 2 driverack pa's after you get used to them they are ok. avoid the auto tune feature and spend some of that money on a measurement mic system my suggesting is the Omni mic on partsexpress.com. it’s affordable and gives you the info you need to set up a great sounding system.
I also have a bbe ds 48 it is better than the drive rack by leaps and bounds but not professional level by any means.
I have no opinions on the mixer I am an o1v guy personally. But the x32 seems to be ok by the looks of all the threads about it.
I guess I would tell you to cry once. if you can’t get enough amps to power all your speakers leave them in the truck till you can buy more. better to have quality power on a few boxes then no power because your cheap overrated amp overheats or poor sound quality because they have high harmonic distortion or have a heck of a time getting your lows to pound because of a crapy recharge rate on there capacitors.
But these are just my opinions so take them with a grain of salt and enjoy whatever new system God sends your way.
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But these are just my opinions so take them with a grain of salt and enjoy whatever new system God sends your way.
Wow! God sends out PA systems? I better start praying! ;)
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I think I'm going to go with the MT-1 system. Its going to consist of 4 mtl1's and 8 mth1's. I figured I could use one sub and 1 top per side for now, then when I have larger venues I can break out the rest.
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lol chuck thats a good one. its just somthing us crazy religious types say because we think that every thing we have comes from him. oh and the new soundcraft expression is in your price range if you want to get into a better digtal board.
But these are just my opinions so take them with a grain of salt and enjoy whatever new system God sends your way.
Wow! God sends out PA systems? I better start praying! ;)
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oh and the new soundcraft expression is in your price range if you want to get into a better digtal board.
Thanks, but I'm pretty happy with my present set up. Are you a Soundcraft dealer? I'm very curious about your comments concering my "price range". What do you think my price range is?
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Hello folks, I would like to get your opinion on a new sound system I will soon be purchasing. I'm pretty limited as far as the money I can spend so here are the 2 systems I was thinking about...
System A:
2x carvin TRX2218's
2x carvin TRX2153's
DBX Driverack PA
2x behringer nu6000's (lows, mids)
1x behringer nu3000 (highs)
behringer x32 digital console
or
System B:
2x Peavey SP2BX's
2x Peavey SP218BX's
DBX Driverack PA
2x behringer nu6000's (lows, mids)
1x behringer nu1000 (highs)
behringer x32 digital console
Essentially the only difference is going to be the speakers. What do you think? Carvin or Peavey?
Before anyone can give a reasonable answer, I think there are many unanswered questions here, what on earth do you want to do with this rig and where?? Be as specific as possible!!! Is used gear an option? If you're on a budget why not go active instead of passive?
There are so many highly experienced folks here, why not tell us your budget and needs and let us help you build the best possible rig for the $$$ instead of you giving us two systems that non of us really know what to recommend...
From what I see here you mixed up bottom end gear with not so bottom end yet pricy gear (the X32), why do need to spend so much on a digital console when you sacrifice so much of the rest??
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Before anyone can give a reasonable answer, I think there are many unanswered questions here, what on earth do you want to do with this rig and where?? Be as specific as possible!!! Is used gear an option? If you're on a budget why not go active instead of passive?
There are so many highly experienced folks here, why not tell us your budget and needs and let us help you build the best possible rig for the $$$ instead of you giving us two systems that non of us really know what to recommend...
From what I see here you mixed up bottom end gear with not so bottom end yet pricy gear (the X32), why do need to spend so much on a digital console when you sacrifice so much of the rest??
I can see why he wants a fancy digital board (if) he is doing theater. The Presonsis studiolive might be a cheaper option or even the little Mackie 1608/new Behringer if Ipad mixing is a option.
More info than, "I mainly run sound for churches, coffeehouses and occasionally a few schools. Currently I have 2 PV115's and 2 PV 118's" is needed.
I agree decent powered boxes would much more versatile than a mishmash of passive gear, with a digital board and active boxes you ditch a ton of outboard gear.
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Before anyone can give a reasonable answer, I think there are many unanswered questions here, what on earth do you want to do with this rig and where?? Be as specific as possible!!! Is used gear an option? If you're on a budget why not go active instead of passive?
There are so many highly experienced folks here, why not tell us your budget and needs and let us help you build the best possible rig for the $$$ instead of you giving us two systems that non of us really know what to recommend...
From what I see here you mixed up bottom end gear with not so bottom end yet pricy gear (the X32), why do need to spend so much on a digital console when you sacrifice so much of the rest??
Used gear is definitely an option but before I go any further let me get you up to date. This will be primarily used in what used to be a school gym with a stage. Each Friday night we will have bands (primarily rock/alternative) come and play. This system will also be used for outdoor events in parks and such. I would like to have a system that could cover up to 500 people outside If needed.
I don't want to spend more than 12k on this PA so I want to try and stretch that as much as I can. I found an EV MT-1 speaker system for a decent price so I'm going to go with that. It's a good brand and I know the mtl1's dont go too low but I'm not going to be doing dance music or much rap.
As far as the mixer goes, I already have an A&H GL2400 but I'm figuring it this way; With the amount of processing available in the x32, I would have to spend almost as much money in outboard gear for the GL2400, plus I want to record the live shows into pro tools. The x32 is only 3k so to me it seems like a clear choice with the amount of features it has, and I hear it sounds pretty good. So with the speakers and the mixer thats 7k. That leaves me with 5k for the rest of the PA.
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Used gear is definitely an option but before I go any further let me get you up to date. This will be primarily used in what used to be a school gym with a stage. Each Friday night we will have bands (primarily rock/alternative) come and play. This system will also be used for outdoor events in parks and such. I would like to have a system that could cover up to 500 people outside If needed.
I don't want to spend more than 12k on this PA so I want to try and stretch that as much as I can. I found an EV MT-1 speaker system for a decent price so I'm going to go with that. It's a good brand and I know the mtl1's dont go too low but I'm not going to be doing dance music or much rap.
As far as the mixer goes, I already have an A&H GL2400 but I'm figuring it this way; With the amount of processing available in the x32, I would have to spend almost as much money in outboard gear for the GL2400, plus I want to record the live shows into pro tools. The x32 is only 3k so to me it seems like a clear choice with the amount of features it has, and I hear it sounds pretty good. So with the speakers and the mixer thats 7k. That leaves me with 5k for the rest of the PA.
I wouldnt pay more then 2200 for a x32.
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I wouldnt pay more then 2200 for a x32.
Why is that?
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i was refering to the orginal poster. i am not a dealer in anything i just like sound craft and the quote i receaved from a dealer was around 3 grand for the si expressions 3
Thanks, but I'm pretty happy with my present set up. Are you a Soundcraft dealer? I'm very curious about your comments concering my "price range". What do you think my price range is?
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Definitely go with the new Carvin TRx Speakers! Carvin has really stepped up their game! All the New TRx fullrange models have a bigger 1.4 exit HF driver. Also go with the Carvins new DCM-LX Series DSP amps....much better than the Behringer amps.
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I would recommend the following:
2xJBL PRX612m tops - $1400.00 here: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PRX612M
2xJBL PRX618S-XLF subs $2600.00
Behringer X32 $3000.00
You could easily stay in your budget and double the speakers. That should cover 500 people outside at rock levels.
This system would be very easy to setup. No amps, no cross-over, and it would just sound good right out of the box.
The X32 is not an entry level mixer. If you have never used a higher end digital mixer before this mixer could be a challenge for you. As far as I can see, there is really no competition for the X32 in the 32 channel MI space anywhere near this price range. I know of people who are replacing Yamaha LS9's which is many times more expensive with this mixer.
The X32 has a 3 year warranty; however, I think the motorized faders are only covered for 1 year.
The studio live is easier to use and does not have motorized faders; however, the 32 channel version is $1000.00 more than the X32.
I think you should seriously consider using powered speakers. I think you will get more power, and better sound on this route.
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The Si Expression can get in the X32 ballpark price with some of its 32 channel configuration.
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But these are just my opinions so take them with a grain of salt and enjoy whatever new system God sends your way.
Wow! God sends out PA systems? I better start praying! ;)
Mr. Simon,
There was liitle need for your belittling comment. I found it rude and offensive.
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Mr. Simon,
There was liitle need for your belittling comment. I found it rude and offensive.
Especially since we know that sound systems are the spawn of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Don't believe me? How do you think all your mic and patch cables mysteriously turn into PVC Pasta at load out?
/satire
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Mr. Simon,
There was liitle need for your belittling comment. I found it rude and offensive.
Well, I am offended by statements that imply a supreme being is involved in the business of live audio, so, we're even!
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Well, I am offended by statements that imply a supreme being is involved in the business of live audio, so, we're even!
Supreme® being? It's a pizza from that mediocre red roof place... Pastafarianism is the true way to good taste:
The FSM says "try me with marinara sauce".
Unfortunately he won't help untangle the cables....
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His noodley apendages are not very good at pulling feeder either.
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I would recommend the following:
2xJBL PRX612m tops - $1400.00 here: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PRX612M
2xJBL PRX618S-XLF subs $2600.00
Behringer X32 $3000.00
You could easily stay in your budget and double the speakers. That should cover 500 people outside at rock levels.
That should cover 500 people outside at rock levels.
outside at rock levels.
rock levels.
(http://download.ultradownloads.com.br/wallpaper/279557_Papel-de-Parede-Meme-Impossibru_1920x1200.jpg)
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outside at rock levels.....
Tim Weaver, you have made my day.
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With what appears to be the OPs budget I would think a very wise choice would be the PRX cabinets, but not with an X32. My choice for an entry level digital board would have to be the Soundcraft Expression.