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Did anybody else notice the PreSonus 32.4.2ai in FOH this month?!? It was only a matter of time.
And Speakers?!?
This is going to be an interesting year for them I believe. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing the console this year at NAMM. The idea behind the speaker and mixer integration (ai) is very interesting. Anyways, some thoughts for the week.
Michael G.
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Link...
http://www.fohonline.com/current-issue/72-product-focus/8088-presonus-studiolive-ai-series-active-integration-loudspeakers.html (http://www.fohonline.com/current-issue/72-product-focus/8088-presonus-studiolive-ai-series-active-integration-loudspeakers.html)
Unless I missed something, this is all that was said of the mixer:
With the onboard computation built both into the speakers and new 32-channel StudioLive 32.4.2AI mixer, system control/networking is available without having to bring a laptop to the gig — one less thing to carry. The new mixers also support both Dante and Thunderbolt, as well as FireWire 800.
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Link...
http://www.fohonline.com/current-issue/72-product-focus/8088-presonus-studiolive-ai-series-active-integration-loudspeakers.html (http://www.fohonline.com/current-issue/72-product-focus/8088-presonus-studiolive-ai-series-active-integration-loudspeakers.html)
Unless I missed something, this is all that was said of the mixer:
Yes you did miss something I don't see the article on the site either. There is a small paragraph on pg 23 about it with a picture and some highlighted features.
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I have had a couple of Presonus Consoles before and I never had a problem with them, also used them for recording, and they sounded very good, But lets face it...If they do not have flying faders and are not in the same price point as an x32...I would think that most people would go for the x32.
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Does the 'Quick Scene Recall' functionality imply motorized faders, rotary encoders rather than pots and recallable preamps? That would certainly make it more comparable to the X32 and M200i, but if not then I'm not sure I see that being a major change since how quickly one can actually recall many scene changes would still seem limited.
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Does the 'Quick Scene Recall' functionality imply motorized faders, rotary encoders rather than pots and recallable preamps? That would certainly make it more comparable to the X32 and M200i, but if not then I'm not sure I see that being a major change since how quickly one can actually recall many scene changes would still seem limited.
I'm afraid that there's more of significance NOT said in their blurb than improvements which will make an actual difference in market value. It will lag behind the X32 in pro-level functionality. IMO, they'd be better off taking a step back and re-designing the 16 channel, small footprint mixer and going after the high-functioning, lower channel count end of things ran than trying to run with Behringer.
An expandable channel count mixer to replace the 01v would be a better bet than this.
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I have had a couple of Presonus Consoles before and I never had a problem with them, also used them for recording, and they sounded very good, But lets face it...If they do not have flying faders and are not in the same price point as an x32...I would think that most people would go for the x32.
I'm running the 24.4.2 now and while the 32.4.2 addresses some of my issues with the console, without recallable head amps and motorized faders, there is no way I would upgrade to this instead of the X32. They better have some pretty compelling other features they haven't mentioned if they plan to compete in this segment. And the newly upgraded X32 iPad app further sweetens the pot. That thing controls EVERY feature of the board. That was the one thing that Presonus really had going for it, a really fully featured iPad app.
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This definitely isn't why I expected a new Presonus desk to look like. I was imagining a baby Allen Heath GLD. Full info not out yet I guess, I'll be interested to read about it.
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I'm running the 24.4.2 now and while the 32.4.2 addresses some of my issues with the console, without recallable head amps and motorized faders, there is no way I would upgrade to this instead of the X32. They better have some pretty compelling other features they haven't mentioned if they plan to compete in this segment. And the newly upgraded X32 iPad app further sweetens the pot. That thing controls EVERY feature of the board. That was the one thing that Presonus really had going for it, a really fully featured iPad app.
I think the new X32 app shows Gain reduction in meters, and IF I am not wrong, allows one to change FX inserts too ?
That would be 2 steps ahead of the SL now,
And unfortunately my experience with mine, and a few other SL24's has not been so stellar.
Cheers!
Sidhu
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I'm starting to run across the random SL with dead faders and other bugs now, only time will tell if the x32 has the same issues but if I was dropping 2,700 to 4K on a digital console I already know that the x32 would get my check. (Unless i found an sc48 in some weird estate sale for that price)
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While it's too soon to tell, I'm guessing their speakers are going to go over about as well as the Line 6 speakers.
Buying a Mixer from Presonus? Possibly, since they do at least know preamps very well. Speakers? Not me.
And this mixer looks to be a fail as well, given the lack of motorized faders (same language used on their 16 and 24-channel boards with respect to 'Quick Scene Recall').
I'm betting Behringer and Mackie's new mixer announcements at NAMM (smaller, bigger) will leave Presonus and Line 6 facepalming each other in the corner. but that's just a guess.
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Im hoping that they left things out of the article to still have that "Wow Factor" that used to be at NAMM. However I think it's more along the lines of what has been said already it's just a bigger version of what's available with some of the missing things added on. And the speakers have the possibility to be cool but I guess we will see this weekend.
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It's unfortunate that it looks likes the 32 channel SL will be pretty much more of the same. I have the 24 but was hoping they would add some other features (motorized faders, ethernet snake, etc)
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It's unfortunate that it looks likes the 32 channel SL will be pretty much more of the same. I have the 24 but was hoping they would add some other features (motorized faders, ethernet snake, etc)
If I remember correctly, the write up says that it has Dante networking for a digital snake.
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I don't think it said "digital snake" specifically. It said the mixer "supports" Dante, and that the speakers have slots for "future" options like Dante. We'll see what all that means, exactly. If it had a digital snake by default like GLD you'd think they would spell that out.
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their press release said that it "supports Dante and thunderbolt," which leads me to believe it will be an additional card cost on top of the $4K price.
If you're using a Dante network, is this mixer even in the ring of contenders?
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Info claims that the speakers are co-designed with Psonus and Dave Gunness/Fulcrum Audio. Sounds tempting.
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Info claims that the speakers are co-designed with Psonus and Dave Gunness/Fulcrum Audio. Sounds tempting.
It definitely adds some legitimacy but it would be interesting to know what that involvement or relationship actually is or was. From the press release it sounds as though Dave and Fulcrum were involved in providing some TQ processing for the AI products but it also says that information was provided to PreSonus software engineers and it does not say that Dave or Fulcrum Acoustic were involved in any other aspects of the product design or in approving the final product.
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their press release said that it "supports Dante and thunderbolt," which leads me to believe it will be an additional card cost on top of the $4K price.
If you're using a Dante network, is this mixer even in the ring of contenders?
Hahahahahahahaha - Make joke, me laugh.
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While it's too soon to tell, I'm guessing their speakers are going to go over about as well as the Line 6 speakers.
Buying a Mixer from Presonus? Possibly, since they do at least know preamps very well. Speakers? Not me.
And this mixer looks to be a fail as well, given the lack of motorized faders (same language used on their 16 and 24-channel boards with respect to 'Quick Scene Recall').
I'm betting Behringer and Mackie's new mixer announcements at NAMM (smaller, bigger) will leave Presonus and Line 6 facepalming each other in the corner. but that's just a guess.
Forced to take either one it would be the Line 6. At least I wouldn't worry about build quality or support, and if ever implimented on a larger scale the GUI is more than usable.