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Title: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: Isaac Bugalho on September 04, 2012, 05:22:13 PM
Hello

If I connect 7 Crown xti to a USB Hub and then to the USB port of this router will System Architect see the amps over wireless?




USB Hub:
http://www.dlink.com/us/en/home-solutions/connect/usb-hubs/dub-h7-7-port-usb-2-0-hub (http://www.dlink.com/us/en/home-solutions/connect/usb-hubs/dub-h7-7-port-usb-2-0-hub)

(http://brain.pan.e-merchant.com/9/7/12020179/g_12020179.jpg)



router:
http://pt.asus.com/Networks/Wireless_Routers/RTAC66U/ (http://pt.asus.com/Networks/Wireless_Routers/RTAC66U/)



usb port (back of the router):
(http://pt.asus.com/websites/global/products/LzShv8ma7TrQB4eO/backio.jpg)



If not, is there a router with ethernet and USB so that I can connect XTIs and I-Techs at the same time?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: Mark McFarlane on September 07, 2012, 04:13:01 AM
I can't verify or deny that this specific hardware will work, but I can say that not all USB devices work correctly when run over Ethernet-USB routers.  I have had good luck with the Belkin N600 Share router for connecting a Yamaha 01V96 console over wireless Ethernet, but the same router does not work with my Motu interface. The USB ports on these routers are designed and tested for printers and external hard disks.

If no-one has tried this specific combination, your best bet is to buy one with a good return policy and see for yourself.
Title: Re: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: Ted Christensen on September 07, 2012, 08:37:22 PM
Hello

If I connect 7 Crown xti to a USB Hub and then to the USB port of this router will System Architect see the amps over wireless?




USB Hub:
http://www.dlink.com/us/en/home-solutions/connect/usb-hubs/dub-h7-7-port-usb-2-0-hub (http://www.dlink.com/us/en/home-solutions/connect/usb-hubs/dub-h7-7-port-usb-2-0-hub)

(http://brain.pan.e-merchant.com/9/7/12020179/g_12020179.jpg)



router:
http://pt.asus.com/Networks/Wireless_Routers/RTAC66U/ (http://pt.asus.com/Networks/Wireless_Routers/RTAC66U/)



usb port (back of the router):
(http://pt.asus.com/websites/global/products/LzShv8ma7TrQB4eO/backio.jpg)



If not, is there a router with ethernet and USB so that I can connect XTIs and I-Techs at the same time?

Thank you.

I use one xti with a usb to Ethernet box to my router in conjunction with my xti amps. Works just fine. I would assume 7xtis would work too. Can't remember the name of my usb box off hand though.
Title: Re: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: Isaac Bugalho on September 12, 2012, 01:48:10 PM
I use one xti with a usb to Ethernet box to my router in conjunction with my xti amps. Works just fine. I would assume 7xtis would work too. Can't remember the name of my usb box off hand though.

Which USB to Ethernet box are you using??

On another forum I see people using this Belkin one, but I believe they don't make it anymore....
 http://www.belkin.com/networkusbhub/ (http://www.belkin.com/networkusbhub/)
Title: Re: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: Isaac Bugalho on September 13, 2012, 05:28:08 PM
For the sake of other people's searches I can now say that a wireless router and this http://www.tp-link.com.au/products/details/?model=TL-PS310U (http://www.tp-link.com.au/products/details/?model=TL-PS310U) works.

Each TP-Link TL-PS310U supports 4 XTI (through a USB Hub) and the only thing is that the network is somewhat slow, the meters on System achitect are not fluid anymore.

Thaks to everyone who tried to help.

EDIT: Just to add that the XTI directly to the USB port of the Asus router didn't work.
Title: Re: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: john lutz on September 17, 2012, 05:26:12 PM
For the sake of other people's searches I can now say that a wireless router and this http://www.tp-link.com.au/products/details/?model=TL-PS310U (http://www.tp-link.com.au/products/details/?model=TL-PS310U) works.

Each TP-Link TL-PS310U supports 4 XTI (through a USB Hub) and the only thing is that the network is somewhat slow, the meters on System achitect are not fluid anymore.

Thaks to everyone who tried to help.

EDIT: Just to add that the XTI directly to the USB port of the Asus router didn't work.

....the 4 XTI (through a USB Hub) - was the USB Hub powered externally or passive from device?

I have seen the amp meters bog down (and other problems) when trying to use a passive hub, and that was direct from 3 XTI into computer/System Architect.
Title: Re: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: Isaac Bugalho on September 17, 2012, 05:52:15 PM
....the 4 XTI (through a USB Hub) - was the USB Hub powered externally or passive from device?

I have seen the amp meters bog down (and other problems) when trying to use a passive hub, and that was direct from 3 XTI into computer/System Architect.

Very interesting, thaks for sharing that. I will test for sure.
What I know is that an active Hub counts as a device for the TP-Link TL-PS310U, so only 3 XTI allowed. With passive hub I can connect 4 XTI per TP-Link TL-PS310U.

I will compare active/Passive hub meter accuracy in a few days an hope I won't forget to post results here for future reference...  ::)
Title: Re: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: frank kayser on October 16, 2012, 10:18:45 PM
(rant on)
What a frigging waste that on the new XTI, Crown again went with a USB interface.  Why not ehernet? Anyone who has hi-speed internet has access to a router and knows how to plug one in.  Do they really think by putting ethernet ports in their budget DSP amps would really take market from their PRO quality amp sales?  Please.

Crown - Wake up!
(rant off)
I've run XTI rack with a Keyspan TCP/IP to USB server.  I think they my not be made anymore, however. 
Title: Re: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: brian maddox on October 16, 2012, 11:59:26 PM
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Title: Re: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: Andrew Brubaker on October 24, 2012, 05:36:50 PM
Has anyone found a better way to get the XTi series amp onto a network? Any other USB to Ethernet solutions that have been tested?
Title: Re: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: Andrew Brubaker on November 26, 2012, 11:00:09 AM

I've run XTI rack with a Keyspan TCP/IP to USB server.  I think they my not be made anymore, however.

What model were you using? I just bought the TP-Link TL-PS310U as per the recommendation above and spent several hours on it this past weekend and was unable to get it work. Also, I do not like the fact that you have to have special software to make it happen. Is there a way to connect the XTi amps to a network that does not involve any software to be installed and running on the pc side? Also, is there a way to get this working on a mac?
Title: Re: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: Tim McCulloch on November 26, 2012, 02:02:10 PM
What model were you using? I just bought the TP-Link TL-PS310U as per the recommendation above and spent several hours on it this past weekend and was unable to get it work. Also, I do not like the fact that you have to have special software to make it happen. Is there a way to connect the XTi amps to a network that does not involve any software to be installed and running on the pc side? Also, is there a way to get this working on a mac?

The quick answer is NO.

The whole concept of the XTi series is that it's NOT a baby I-Tech.  Crown's take is that if you need remote, real time monitoring and control of networked amplifiers via TCP/IP connections, you should be buying I-Techs.

The reliable way to do this is get a cheap net top or laptop and park it at your amp racks.  Use USB hubs to connect the amps in each rack to a USB port on the host computer.  Use VNC to connect that computer to whatever remote client computer you want to use to monitor or control with.

You are correct, Band Manager is Windows-only.  Bite the bullet and take an old Windows machine you have laying around and use it.  You can still use your iFruit to VNC into it so you won't soil your hands by touching a Windoze box. /sarcasm, humor, other literary devices
Title: Re: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: Andrew Brubaker on November 26, 2012, 04:23:06 PM
The reliable way to do this is get a cheap net top or laptop and park it at your amp racks.  Use USB hubs to connect the amps in each rack to a USB port on the host computer.  Use VNC to connect that computer to whatever remote client computer you want to use to monitor or control with.

Thank you for the idea! That's probably the route I'll go at this point. And humor is always appreciated  ;)
Title: Re: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: Tom Burgess on January 26, 2013, 02:12:13 PM
The quick answer is NO.

The whole concept of the XTi series is that it's NOT a baby I-Tech.  Crown's take is that if you need remote, real time monitoring and control of networked amplifiers via TCP/IP connections, you should be buying I-Techs.

The reliable way to do this is get a cheap net top or laptop and park it at your amp racks.  Use USB hubs to connect the amps in each rack to a USB port on the host computer.  Use VNC to connect that computer to whatever remote client computer you want to use to monitor or control with.

You are correct, Band Manager is Windows-only.  Bite the bullet and take an old Windows machine you have laying around and use it.  You can still use your iFruit to VNC into it so you won't soil your hands by touching a Windoze box. /sarcasm, humor, other literary devices
New product in the Harman booth ought to be a cure for this situation, the USBX.  IIRC, connect up to six USB devices and has built in wifi for a couple hundred bucks.


Title: Re: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: Tim McCulloch on January 26, 2013, 02:45:31 PM
New product in the Harman booth ought to be a cure for this situation, the USBX.  IIRC, connect up to six USB devices and has built in wifi for a couple hundred bucks.

This is good news, Tom.  Thanks for the report from the floor...
Title: Re: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: Andrew Brubaker on January 26, 2013, 03:45:06 PM
New product in the Harman booth ought to be a cure for this situation, the USBX.  IIRC, connect up to six USB devices and has built in wifi for a couple hundred bucks.

Good to know! Do they have a street date and price yet?
Title: Re: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: Tom Burgess on January 26, 2013, 04:54:39 PM
Good to know! Do they have a street date and price yet?
Probably.  My brain's still a little mushy from 2 days of appointments but I'll check with my rep on Tuesday.   :o

Edit - I'm plane hopping today or I'd call him now.
Title: Re: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: Isaac Bugalho on January 28, 2013, 11:08:53 AM
Have to go back to this installation, everything works, but it's really really slow.

 I'm thinking of installing one "Raspberry PI" per rack to share the USB's to the network

 Will the XTI be recognized in Linux?? Do I need drivers??

 Thank you.

http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs (http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs)
Title: Re: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: Andrew Brubaker on January 28, 2013, 01:38:03 PM
Will the XTI be recognized in Linux?? Do I need drivers??


I'm pretty sure that the Harmon apps for setting the DSPs on the XTi's only work on Windows based systems. I decided to take Tim's advice and I use VNC to remote into my windows laptop next to the amps from my mac at FOH.
Title: Re: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: Jared Bartimus on January 28, 2013, 01:43:14 PM
....the 4 XTI (through a USB Hub) - was the USB Hub powered externally or passive from device?

I have seen the amp meters bog down (and other problems) when trying to use a passive hub, and that was direct from 3 XTI into computer/System Architect.

The meters seem awfully bogged down even directly plugged into my laptop.  Not sure if it is my laptop or just how slow the meters are normally.  Been meaning to plug the amp into my desktop to compare but I haven't had a chance.

The following article (first one that came up on google) indicates that it is likely going to retail about $250.  Now all the amps need is some visible indication of hitting the limiters.  Thinking about getting a dc-one to solve that problem but I doubt it will be compatible with the USBX

http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/The-Music-Business/HARMAN-s-CrownAudio-Introduces-USBX-at-NAMM-2013-Enhancing/ba-p/34685179
Title: Re: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: Tom Burgess on April 04, 2013, 12:10:51 PM
Good to know! Do they have a street date and price yet?
Just got the "official" ship date prediction which is June (of 2013, that is).  MAP came out at $199.00.
Title: Re: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: Andrew Brubaker on April 19, 2013, 12:40:46 AM
Just got the "official" ship date prediction which is June (of 2013, that is).  MAP came out at $199.00.

Great! Thanks for the update :D
Title: Re: Crown XTI USB directly to router
Post by: John Cameron on July 06, 2013, 11:34:26 AM
Great! Thanks for the update :D

With the USBx can I network XTI's and iTechs over the same network?