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[Evan Kirkendall]

Yeah... that wasnt fun when everyone came up on stage. I ran up as well and grabbed a few things and got them out of the way. But, this week the contract includes that we can pull the plug if we feel the gear may get damaged.

[RobertOziemkowski]

faderjockey wrote on Thu, 18 August 2005 14:58

Gotta disagree with you on your control of the stage Tom. If my equipment is up there and I see something like that happen, I pull the plug. I've lost a few monitors and damaged a few mics because of situations like that. Fortunately most of the bands I work for are past that stage in their life. Tom

Couldn't agree more!

NOTIFY bands and promoter beforehand of your tolerance level!

If exceeded, shut it down!

[Tom Reid]

RobertO wrote on Thu, 18 August 2005 10:49

faderjockey wrote on Thu, 18 August 2005 14:58 Gotta disagree with you on your control of the stage Tom. If my equipment is up there and I see something like that happen, I pull the plug. I've lost a few monitors and damaged a few mics because of situations like that. Fortunately most of the bands I work for are past that stage in their life. Tom Couldn't agree more! NOTIFY bands and promoter beforehand of your tolerance level! If exceeded, shut it down!

I'm in this category.
People seem to behave when you take their toys away from them.

[Ivan Beaver]

Whatever you do DO NOT GET PHYSICAL with anybody.  I have been involved in a couple of lawsuits and spent a day in jail for trying to protect my equipment from those type of people.  It has cost me many thousands in lawyers fees-settlement cost etc (not to mention the equipment that was torn up), and got me just inches away from divorce.  If you have an issue, pull the plug (done that several times) and get away.  If anybody goes nuts-then you can sue them!  I lost 1 case on the basis that I was simply bigger than the person who brought on the suite.  The courts are simply not interested in justice.  They just want to get home to dinner and do not want to look at any evidence or listen to witnesses.

Simply walk away and let the proper security handle it.  Believe me that is VERY hard to watch the situation, but the judge will tell you that security is NOT your concern-you are simply there to provide sound.  Security is somebody elses responsibility.  IF there is no formal security, then the problem rests on the person who put on the show.

This is a very ugly business, and it gets dirty at times.

[Tom Reid]

Ivan Beaver wrote on Thu, 18 August 2005 17:18

Whatever you do DO NOT GET PHYSICAL with anybody.  I have been involved in a couple of lawsuits and spent a day in jail for trying to protect my equipment from those type of people.  It has cost me many thousands in lawyers fees-settlement cost etc (not to mention the equipment that was torn up), and got me just inches away from divorce.  If you have an issue, pull the plug (done that several times) and get away.  If anybody goes nuts-then you can sue them!  I lost 1 case on the basis that I was simply bigger than the person who brought on the suite.  The courts are simply not interested in justice.  They just want to get home to dinner and do not want to look at any evidence or listen to witnesses. Simply walk away and let the proper security handle it.  Believe me that is VERY hard to watch the situation, but the judge will tell you that security is NOT your concern-you are simply there to provide sound.  Security is somebody elses responsibility.  IF there is no formal security, then the problem rests on the person who put on the show. This is a very ugly business, and it gets dirty at times.

Well said Ivan.

I've suggested the large roadie, and the heavy flashlight has been mentioned here.  These are deterrent devices, not enforcement tools.

Contracts need to include some provision for security as well as other house responsibilites.

[Chris Davis]

Agreed with Ivan and Tom here.  An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.  In my case I most certainly pick and choose which "acts" I do sound for.  Given good sound, it is the musicians who will set the mood for everyone else.  

Don't be around to provide good sound for bands with poor attitude and they won't have you to torment.

I avoid bands that I am either unfamiliar with or not comfortable with.  Guess that is one of the luxuries of having a second income.
I have had thousands of dollars worth of gear trashed in the past and, although it was covered by insurance, I simply wish to avoid any more lessons from the "school of hard knocks" in the future.

[Evan Kirkendall]

Well, Me and Tom were back at the same venue again tonight. Good news is that nothing blew up this time. We also had a much smaller crowd this time, only 120. Still had to push the gear hard though... We ran things a little different this time. RMX1450 on tops, CE1k on subs. That extra 150w made a big difference for some reason. You'd think going from 550w to 700w wouldnt be that big of a change, but it gave us the extra headroom we needed...




....say Evan, are those JBL's up on tables? Yup, Thats what happens when you forget your speaker stands

[Chris Davis]

I've done the exact same thing.   Wish I had the pics to show you...

Chris

[Gareth Marsh]

Yea, I have put our 150lb JBL SR Series II (2 x 15" and Horn) up on school-type desks before, mind you, that was nothing to do with forgetting the stands, those dont go on stands! The only trouble was getting them up there