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[Steve Hurt]

Monitor shaped guitar speaker cabinet
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For electric guitar, I use a 1 x 12 combo amp on a stand, tilted back, pointing at my head.
Although it is pointed at my ears, my body still gets in the way of the sound and affects the tone when I move.

I'm thinking of building a floor monitor shaped guitar speaker cabinet to sit next to my vocal monitor. 
I think I would run the amp a little quieter and with less treble if it was in front of me, where it can be heard more clearly.

Questions:   

- Does cabinet shape affect the sound?
(other than making sure the angle is correct for listening)

- Does angle of the speaker in reference to the port matter?


Plan is:
- to measure a combo and build a monitor shaped box that has:
the same internal volume; the same sized port opening; and the same speaker.

- Should I expect the monitor shaped cabinet to sound close to the combo?

[Taylor Phillips]

Monitor shaped guitar speaker cabinet
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For electric guitar, I use a 1 x 12 combo amp on a stand, tilted back, pointing at my head.
Although it is pointed at my ears, my body still gets in the way of the sound and affects the tone when I move.

I'm thinking of building a floor monitor shaped guitar speaker cabinet to sit next to my vocal monitor. 
I think I would run the amp a little quieter and with less treble if it was in front of me, where it can be heard more clearly.

Questions:   

- Does cabinet shape affect the sound?
(other than making sure the angle is correct for listening)

- Does angle of the speaker in reference to the port matter?


Plan is:
- to measure a combo and build a monitor shaped box that has:
the same internal volume; the same sized port opening; and the same speaker.

- Should I expect the monitor shaped cabinet to sound close to the combo?

Why not just put the combo on the ground in front of you and tilt it back?

[Marsellus Fariss]

Monitor shaped guitar speaker cabinet
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For electric guitar, I use a 1 x 12 combo amp on a stand, tilted back, pointing at my head.
Although it is pointed at my ears, my body still gets in the way of the sound and affects the tone when I move.

I'm thinking of building a floor monitor shaped guitar speaker cabinet to sit next to my vocal monitor. 
I think I would run the amp a little quieter and with less treble if it was in front of me, where it can be heard more clearly.

Questions:   

- Does cabinet shape affect the sound?
(other than making sure the angle is correct for listening)

- Does angle of the speaker in reference to the port matter?


Plan is:
- to measure a combo and build a monitor shaped box that has:
the same internal volume; the same sized port opening; and the same speaker.

- Should I expect the monitor shaped cabinet to sound close to the combo?

What Tyler said to start! try that and see how it goes. Caveat is that guitar amps don't sound the same when their pointed at your face. You could try a little gaffe tape across the dust cover of the driver in a X or square to kill some of the peaky ice pick sounds that suck when it's pointed at your face. (that's what she said) You should remember this experience as a guitarist when you set your amp up pointing right at the audiences faces but under your knees in a small club. 

Also; yes the box and port and driver will effect your tone. Everything will. But it's a trade off how the band sounds out front. I remember working a 38 Special show when I was a kid and remember one guitar player (in the age of the obligatory Bob Bradshaw rack) had no cab on stage. He had a 2x12 wedge shaped monitor next to his vocal monitor with a plexiglass baffle in between them sticking up 3 feet or so between them. I suspect he would stand in front of the gtr half for solo's and the mic would be in front of the vocal wedge for harmony vox.

So yea try it, fiddle with it. Get to know it, DO IT.

[Dave Bigelow]

Mesa Boogie used to make exactly what you are talking about, it was called the recto wedge, hard to find though.

[Tim Weaver]

The Guitar player that was with Eddy Raven for years did just that. He had a single monitor that was flanked on each side by 112 guitar cabinets. He was running a stereo rig and it worked really well.

Can't for the life of me remember his name right now.....

[Steve Hurt]

Mesa Boogie used to make exactly what you are talking about, it was called the recto wedge, hard to find though.

That's the look, except a 1x 12 will be plenty.
I'm pretty good at building stuff so I won't be buying.
My concern is how the angles will affect the tone.

[Walter W Wright]

That's the look, except a 1x 12 will be plenty.
I'm pretty good at building stuff so I won't be buying.
My concern is how the angles will affect the tone.

if you just make it a sealed box, the math won't be so tricky, and the odd shape shouldn't make as much difference. (sealed is often better for guitar anyway.)

maybe stuff some insulation inside?

[David Morison]

Mesa Boogie used to make exactly what you are talking about, it was called the recto wedge, hard to find though.

Or, easy to find in frat houses everywhere on weekends, surely? Is it any wonder that they "used to make" it with a name like that?!? 
Cheers,
David

[Ned Ward]

Mike Campbell from Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers used to play with a Princeton in front of him, tilted up. I would think that would work fine for you, although you could build a external cab.

Name nonwithstanding, the Recto Wedge is a great idea; may have to save an eBay Search...

[Paul Dershem]

Mesa Boogie used to make exactly what you are talking about, it was called the recto wedge, hard to find though.

Eden used to make a 2x10 bass monitor wedge that looked similar to the Mesa recto.

If this is what the OP wants, he can have one made to his specifications by an independent cab maker.

[Carl Wetter]

Monitor shaped guitar speaker cabinet
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For electric guitar, I use a 1 x 12 combo amp on a stand, tilted back, pointing at my head.
Although it is pointed at my ears, my body still gets in the way of the sound and affects the tone when I move.

I'm thinking of building a floor monitor shaped guitar speaker cabinet to sit next to my vocal monitor. 
I think I would run the amp a little quieter and with less treble if it was in front of me, where it can be heard more clearly.

Questions:   

- Does cabinet shape affect the sound?
(other than making sure the angle is correct for listening)

- Does angle of the speaker in reference to the port matter?


Plan is:
- to measure a combo and build a monitor shaped box that has:
the same internal volume; the same sized port opening; and the same speaker.

- Should I expect the monitor shaped cabinet to sound close to the combo?

If you prefer a closed back cab, it may be simple enough just to make a wedge backing to attach to a cab. if you were on a budget, it could be attached with velcro!

[Ned Ward]

Or get one of these: http://standback.net/

[Bob Leonard]

Steve,
It's not so much the wedge as it is the speaker inside of it. You can take any wedge, pull out the horn and put you favorite 12 in it (you know the one) and it will sound pretty good to you. I have also had luck with an old Peavey wedge after removing everything, punching 3ea. 4" holes in the back, and putting in a 12" driver. Use it as an extension cabinet.

[Steve Hurt]

Steve,
It's not so much the wedge as it is the speaker inside of it. You can take any wedge, pull out the horn and put you favorite 12 in it (you know the one) and it will sound pretty good to you. I have also had luck with an old Peavey wedge after removing everything, punching 3ea. 4" holes in the back, and putting in a 12" driver. Use it as an extension cabinet.

I may try throwing one in a cheap monitor cab and see what it sounds like.
I'm fairly talented in slicing and dicing plywood, so building a box is not a problem at all.
I'll be building a head cabinet for the amp in my combo, so I'll be building regardless.

I do not want to use the combo on a stand so will pass on all those suggestions. 
I want the controls close to me and going to a head/cabinet setup will allow me to do that.
Also, having it split into a head and cabinet will also reduce the per piece weight and make carrying it up to my 2nd floor practice space easier.

[Ned Ward]

sounds like a plan. Depending on your combo, check eBay to see if someone's already made a head cab for your particular amp. Speaking of that, what kind of combo is it? Curious guitar players want to know.

[Steve Hurt]

sounds like a plan. Depending on your combo, check eBay to see if someone's already made a head cab for your particular amp. Speaking of that, what kind of combo is it? Curious guitar players want to know.

Found a 1 x 12 monitor cabinet for $25, so I'm going to give that a whirl and see what I think.
If I like the concept, but decide there is too little or too much bass, I'll build a cab of different size.
If I don't like it, no harm done trying it out.

Currently using a Rivera Chubster 40 with a Vintage 30 in it.
Also have a Bandmaster Reverb head that Bob Leonard breathed fire into.
I used top play a Princeton Reverb that had been modded and had 6L6's in it.
If I'd known about Bob's magic touch with Fenders, I'd have never sold it.

Something else I'm going to try.
Warehouse (that's the brand) speakers that Bob recommended. 
Bob really has a ear for good guitar tone so I know they'll be nice.

[Bob Leonard]

Thanks for the kind words Steve. We still need to talk about the pro though and per the last time we spoke I'll go through the pro at 0$, send it back, and we'll talk again. I see where you're headed, but a little weight can be a good thing.

[Ned Ward]

Ah yes. I need to find the time to be able to send off my '65 Bandmaster 2x12 combo to Bob to have him sprinkle magic dust onto. Seriously also thinking of switching from the Weber California 12's to the Kendrick Black Frames, hint courtesy of Bob.

Come to think of it, maybe I should send my Princeton Reverb to him as well... I'd be willing to even pay for work, although really liking where it is tonally currently. Next charity case Fender amp I pick up (and the bandmaster was 1/2 a step from being taken out back and shot) I'll talk to Bob first...

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