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Stanley Cup Finals
« on: June 01, 2011, 10:58:59 PM »

Holy Crapowski! That was some finish to game 1. The first goal on the 70th shot on goal of the game. A happy night in Vancouver.

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Re: Stanley Cup Finals
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2011, 10:39:21 PM »

Holy Crapowski! That was some finish to game 1. The first goal on the 70th shot on goal of the game. A happy night in Vancouver.

Mac

And an unhappy night in Boston.  :(  Great game though.
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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2011, 10:49:34 PM »


And an unhappy night in Boston.  :(  Great game though.

And tonight we go to overtime!

Grampa's new Stanley Cup wishes.

It goes to a game seven.

Vancouver wins at home and brings the Cup back to Canada.

Manny Malhotra scores the winning goal in the final minute of the third period.
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2011, 09:58:34 PM »


And an unhappy night in Boston.  :(  Great game though.

In the first 2 games, Boston wasn't letting in any goals, but they weren't getting out of their own end either. It sure looks different tonight in the second period.

As a NY Yankees and NY Rangers fan it is hard to root for any team from Boston or Philadelphia, but it is hard not to love a comeback.

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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2011, 01:15:19 AM »

In the first 2 games, Boston wasn't letting in any goals, but they weren't getting out of their own end either. It sure looks different tonight in the second period.

As a NY Yankees and NY Rangers fan it is hard to root for any team from Boston or Philadelphia, but it is hard not to love a comeback.

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As a split loyalty fan, the Sharks are my "local" team and the Canadiens are the team I followed from the time I knew a puck from a biscuit I just cannot in my heart want the Bruins to win the Cup.   That's mostly as a result of the long time Habs/Bruins rivalry.

That said, they were out for revenge tonight.  My sound guy friends who ARE from Boston haven't stopped bitching about Burroughs allegedly biting Bergeron's finger and were really pissed when the player they thought should get at least a one game suspension beat them in overtime in game two.  IMNSHO Burroughs' conduct warranted a double minor at best.  Bergeron was practically sticking his finger in Burroughs' mouth.

The next game is going to be very interesting.

I still want it to go seven, have the Cup in Canada and want Manny to score that winning goal   
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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2011, 09:06:36 AM »

In the first 2 games, Boston wasn't letting in any goals, but they weren't getting out of their own end either. It sure looks different tonight in the second period.

As a NY Yankees and NY Rangers fan it is hard to root for any team from Boston or Philadelphia, but it is hard not to love a comeback.

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As a split loyalty fan, the Sharks are my "local" team and the Canadiens are the team I followed from the time I knew a puck from a biscuit I just cannot in my heart want the Bruins to win the Cup.   That's mostly as a result of the long time Habs/Bruins rivalry.

That said, they were out for revenge tonight.  My sound guy friends who ARE from Boston haven't stopped bitching about Burroughs allegedly biting Bergeron's finger and were really pissed when the player they thought should get at least a one game suspension beat them in overtime in game two.  IMNSHO Burroughs' conduct warranted a double minor at best.  Bergeron was practically sticking his finger in Burroughs' mouth.

The next game is going to be very interesting.

I still want it to go seven, have the Cup in Canada and want Manny to score that winning goal

I come from the day of no helmet. played semi pro and didn't stop playing until I was 50. That being said I have seen players climb into the stands, more hard clean checks than can be imagined, and been on the receiving and giving end of many great checks. I ended with over 100 stitches, 14 broken teeth, 6 broken bones, 7 broken noses, and multiple concussions. It's a physical sport, but it's a great sport when played as it should be, player beware that hard play is part of the game.
 
On the other hand, sticks to Teddy Greens head, stick fights, intentional hits to the head, shoulders to the face, and BITING have no place in this or any other sport for that matter. The NHL has made that clear. The Bruins played with a passion last night and they now have a point to prove. Win or lose the Bruins will make them pay for their cheap shots. Anyone who has ever played the game will tell you that once the puck has been passed to a another player you might expect some contact, but not an open ice head shot. I can only hope the league grows some balls and sits Rome for the rest of the playoffs. Rome is truely a piece of shit. And fuck canada as far as the cup goes.
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Re: Stanley Cup Finals
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2011, 01:39:50 PM »

Holy Crapowski! That was some finish to game 1. The first goal on the 70th shot on goal of the game. A happy night in Vancouver.

Mac

And an unhappy night in Boston.  :(  Great game though.

8-1, four game suspension for Rome, and a happy day in Boston.
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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2011, 12:42:18 AM »

I have to say watch the video of Ruutu bitting Andrew Peters from a few years ago.  It almost seemed harder to tell if Ruutu's bite took place than what Burrows did.  The NHL came down hard, set precedence, and amended the rules for this action.  Rule 75 states:

"(ii)  Any player who is guilty of unsportsmanlike conduct including, but not limited to hair-pulling, biting, grabbing hold of a face                 mask, etc. If warranted, and specifically when injury results, the referee may apply Rule 21 – Match Penalties."

Seems clear.  The referee saw it fit to use rule 21 stating:

"21.1 Match Penalty - A match penalty involves the suspension of a player for the balance of the game and the offender shall be ordered to the dressing room immediately.
A match penalty shall be imposed on any player who deliberately attempts to injure or who deliberately injures an opponent in any manner.
In addition to the match penalty, the player shall be automatically suspended from further competition until the Commissioner has ruled on the issue. See also Rule 29 – Supplementary Discipline."

I don't see how the NHL can rule on these things in this way when they spell it so clearly in their rules, and to come out and say there is no conclusive evidence.  The fact that Lapierre comes out the next game and taunts players about the incident is a slap in the face to the NHL.  It says "we all know it happened and we got away with it. I'm going to parade around that we got away with it and rub it in everyones face."  In my opinion the NHL would have been far better to say we saw it and in fact there was a bite that took place, although we feel that it is not a punishable offense.  At least they could have hid behind interpretation of their own rule.  Now, it is funny to the rest of the sports world that this took place with no discipline, it is very clear on camera, and an official advisory board were the only ones that didn't see it?  And to have it thrown back in their face now by the team that did it is just very silly. 

The NHL has a funny way of not being consistent, remember when the Coyotes were the first team to break the instigation in the last 10 minute rule?  The coach was supposed to receive a large fine automatically, but when it was Gretzky who was the coach they backed off the rule, rewrote it, and said the player acted on his own.  The whole rule was put into place to make the coach responsible for his players!

I am a die hard fan and will continue to be one, but the NHL has some major issues with their review process.  Don't even get me started on deflections above the cross bar.  If you can deflect it from 10' in the air more power to you, that is really hard to do!  Get rid of this review footage that is always "inconclusive".  I watched the Kings get burned on this at least 3 times this season on game winning or tying goals in the last few minutes!

Go Burins!!!  Beat those damn Canucks!

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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2011, 07:35:12 AM »

I have to say watch the video of Ruutu bitting Andrew Peters from a few years ago.  It almost seemed harder to tell if Ruutu's bite took place than what Burrows did.  The NHL came down hard, set precedence, and amended the rules for this action.  Rule 75 states:

"(ii)  Any player who is guilty of unsportsmanlike conduct including, but not limited to hair-pulling, biting, grabbing hold of a face                 mask, etc. If warranted, and specifically when injury results, the referee may apply Rule 21 – Match Penalties."

Seems clear.  The referee saw it fit to use rule 21 stating:

"21.1 Match Penalty - A match penalty involves the suspension of a player for the balance of the game and the offender shall be ordered to the dressing room immediately.
A match penalty shall be imposed on any player who deliberately attempts to injure or who deliberately injures an opponent in any manner.
In addition to the match penalty, the player shall be automatically suspended from further competition until the Commissioner has ruled on the issue. See also Rule 29 – Supplementary Discipline."

I don't see how the NHL can rule on these things in this way when they spell it so clearly in their rules, and to come out and say there is no conclusive evidence.  The fact that Lapierre comes out the next game and taunts players about the incident is a slap in the face to the NHL.  It says "we all know it happened and we got away with it. I'm going to parade around that we got away with it and rub it in everyones face."  In my opinion the NHL would have been far better to say we saw it and in fact there was a bite that took place, although we feel that it is not a punishable offense.  At least they could have hid behind interpretation of their own rule.  Now, it is funny to the rest of the sports world that this took place with no discipline, it is very clear on camera, and an official advisory board were the only ones that didn't see it?  And to have it thrown back in their face now by the team that did it is just very silly. 

The NHL has a funny way of not being consistent, remember when the Coyotes were the first team to break the instigation in the last 10 minute rule?  The coach was supposed to receive a large fine automatically, but when it was Gretzky who was the coach they backed off the rule, rewrote it, and said the player acted on his own.  The whole rule was put into place to make the coach responsible for his players!

I am a die hard fan and will continue to be one, but the NHL has some major issues with their review process.  Don't even get me started on deflections above the cross bar.  If you can deflect it from 10' in the air more power to you, that is really hard to do!  Get rid of this review footage that is always "inconclusive".  I watched the Kings get burned on this at least 3 times this season on game winning or tying goals in the last few minutes!

Go Burins!!!  Beat those damn Canucks!

Chris Jensen
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I have to agree with you Chris on many of your points. One point missed is the one sided calls often shown in Montreal, regardless of opponent. It's all the officials and their don't shit where we eat attitude.
 
The deflection rule is actually simplistic. No intentional re-direct of the puck with your foot or body, and no part of your stick above your shoulders. Even if written otherwise, that's how the game is called.
 
Charging was always three (3) strides before the hit. Now they make a judgment call on body position. Boarding was no space between the recipients body and the boards at time of hit, now it's another judgement call. Go back to no helmets and all that shit goes away.
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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2011, 12:15:56 PM »

And tonight we go to overtime!

Grampa's new Stanley Cup wishes.

It goes to a game seven.

Vancouver wins at home and brings the Cup back to Canada.

Manny Malhotra scores the winning goal in the final minute of the third period.

That would be great (7 games), but honestly, as a hockey lovin Canadian, I'd rather it be ABC (Anybody But the Canucks!) So Go BOSTON!
 
To clearify I grew up in the East (able to see a live game anywhere from Detroit/Toronto/Buffalo/Ottawa/Montreal in a half day drive), and now live in the West and have a further passion to win the cup for any other Canadian (or American as the case usually is) team other than Vancouver. I'd even gladly chear on the Oilers if that was the alternative.
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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2011, 12:46:26 AM »

That would be great (7 games), but honestly, as a hockey lovin Canadian, I'd rather it be ABC (Anybody But the Canucks!) So Go BOSTON!
 
To clearify I grew up in the East (able to see a live game anywhere from Detroit/Toronto/Buffalo/Ottawa/Montreal in a half day drive), and now live in the West and have a further passion to win the cup for any other Canadian (or American as the case usually is) team other than Vancouver. I'd even gladly chear on the Oilers if that was the alternative.

Well, we're on to what will surely be an exciting game 5!!!
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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2011, 08:44:27 AM »

That would be great (7 games), but honestly, as a hockey lovin Canadian, I'd rather it be ABC (Anybody But the Canucks!) So Go BOSTON!
 
To clearify I grew up in the East (able to see a live game anywhere from Detroit/Toronto/Buffalo/Ottawa/Montreal in a half day drive), and now live in the West and have a further passion to win the cup for any other Canadian (or American as the case usually is) team other than Vancouver. I'd even gladly chear on the Oilers if that was the alternative.

Well, we're on to what will surely be an exciting game 5!!!

I see where Luongo was at Mass General Hospital last night. It seems he's developed a terrible sunburn on the back of his neck.
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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2011, 07:48:43 PM »

The NHL has a funny way of not being consistent, remember when the Coyotes were the first team to break the instigation in the last 10 minute rule?  The coach was supposed to receive a large fine automatically, but when it was Gretzky who was the coach they backed off the rule, rewrote it, and said the player acted on his own.  The whole rule was put into place to make the coach responsible for his players!

I am a die hard fan and will continue to be one, but the NHL has some major issues with their review process.  Don't even get me started on deflections above the cross bar.  If you can deflect it from 10' in the air more power to you, that is really hard to do!  Get rid of this review footage that is always "inconclusive".  I watched the Kings get burned on this at least 3 times this season on game winning or tying goals in the last few minutes!

Go Burins!!!  Beat those damn Canucks!

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I agree with everything you state in the quoted text above right up to the "Go Burins!!!" (sic) part :-).   

NHL consistency in the assessment of penalties has been, IMNSHO, at an all time low this year.   I'm still steamed over their non action on Chara's hit on Montreal's Pacioretty back in March.

There's enough blame to go around to EVERY team in the league but until the league gets both tough AND consistent, these shenanigans will, sadly, continue.
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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2011, 08:56:22 PM »


I have to agree with you Chris on many of your points. One point missed is the one sided calls often shown in Montreal, regardless of opponent. It's all the officials and their don't shit where we eat attitude.
 
 Go back to no helmets and all that shit goes away.

Bob may have a point about the officials in Montreal.   It may not be so much "don't shit where you eat" as simple survival.  In another sport I remember that, years after the "Immaculate Reception" game in Minneapolis between the Vikings and Raiders one of the officials told John Madden that the phone call they made while deciding on the ruling was not to any NFL official but to the stadium security asking how many security officers were available to escort them out of the place if they ruled in favor of the Raiders.

And when I was living in Montreal, circa 1969 the belief there was the the officials in Toronto weren't willing to shit where THEY ate either. 
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I have to agree with you Chris on many of your points. One point missed is the one sided calls often shown in Montreal, regardless of opponent. It's all the officials and their don't shit where we eat attitude.
 
 Go back to no helmets and all that shit goes away.

Bob may have a point about the officials in Montreal.   It may not be so much "don't shit where you eat" as simple survival.  In another sport I remember that, years after the "Immaculate Reception" game in Minneapolis between the Vikings and Raiders one of the officials told John Madden that the phone call they made while deciding on the ruling was not to any NFL official but to the stadium security asking how many security officers were available to escort them out of the place if they ruled in favor of the Raiders.

And when I was living in Montreal, circa 1969 the belief there was the the officials in Toronto weren't willing to shit where THEY ate either.

Awful hard to get a call when your officiating in the shrine. I did notice that the refs are making some good non calls during this series, especially in respect to the Peggy Fleming shit I see going on. Well, we'll see what the Sadine sisters bring with them tomorrow, which to this point hasn't been much.
 
It would be nice to see the cup in Boston again, but win lose or draw it's been one hell of a series.
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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2011, 10:58:11 PM »

Congratulations Boston. A hell of a series. Tim Thomas was amazing.

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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2011, 11:13:44 PM »

Thank you Mr. Kerr on behalf of Bruins fans everywhere.
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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2011, 11:30:44 AM »

Tim Thomas was amazing.

Mac

What is also amazing is how long it took for him to get recognition and win a place in the NHL.  He bounced around the minor leagues for about 10 years after college, then had to fight for years to nail down the starting job in Boston.  He is also from Michigan, not far from here.

Congrats to Boston fans.
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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2011, 11:41:10 AM »

Congratulations Boston. A hell of a series. Tim Thomas was amazing.

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The losing guys were crying.  openly.
I don't say this to belittle them.
I say it because apparently they cared.... a lot.

I didn't see photos of LeBron crying after Miami lost the NBA finals.
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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2011, 12:20:17 PM »

Congratulations Boston. A hell of a series. Tim Thomas was amazing.

Mac


The losing guys were crying.  openly.
I don't say this to belittle them.
I say it because apparently they cared.... a lot.

I didn't see photos of LeBron crying after Miami lost the NBA finals.

I didn't see miami rioting in the streets...

This is not a very positive statement about modern culture. I guess if people are unhappy these days they just break some windows...

Is it the new PC that Lebron should cry?  I think he should shut the F'up and reflect upon what he can do differently next time he gets to the big stage.

Man up...  greece too...

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PS: Congrats boston for winning, congrats Canuks for coming in second.. they beat everybody else. Come on folks it's a game.
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« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2011, 12:46:55 PM »

Lebron  should play hockey.  He's good in the first 3 periods


Freaking rioters.  Do they think they're in Detroit or something?!  (sorry Hammer)
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« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2011, 08:41:16 PM »

Lebron will never hold the big prize until he learns to play as a team member instead of a look at me I'm the hero player he is.

The rioting was pre determined when the Canucks decided to herd all those people into one area, turn on the big screens, and torment them with the loss.

Boston chose not to hold open air events, or even fill the Garden with 18K people who could possibly end up with a reason to become angry. Having your team win or lose isn't a reason to destroy all that surrounds you, and the BPD put a stop to that crap in 30 minutes. Granted we won, and so the anger wasn't there, but neither was there a huge crowd confined to a small area. Vancouver can only blame themselves for the riots
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« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2011, 10:24:07 PM »

Lebron will never hold the big prize until he learns to play as a team member instead of a look at me I'm the hero player he is.
Lebron is a 6'8" forward and averages over 8 assists a game, the only other big men who were that generous with the ball were Magic and Wilt,,,

He'll be fine but he needs to grow up a little more and develop some of the mental toughness of seasoned players like Garnet. Having to speak at a press conference minutes after a loss like that has to be tough.

The real PIA is now we have to listen to Mark Cuban taking credit for the next year.
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The rioting was pre determined when the Canucks decided to herd all those people into one area, turn on the big screens, and torment them with the loss.

Boston chose not to hold open air events, or even fill the Garden with 18K people who could possibly end up with a reason to become angry. Having your team win or lose isn't a reason to destroy all that surrounds you, and the BPD put a stop to that crap in 30 minutes. Granted we won, and so the anger wasn't there, but neither was there a huge crowd confined to a small area. Vancouver can only blame themselves for the riots

IIRC there was some fun and games around Fenway park after some of those yankee series, but we need to keep chanting, "It's just a game...  "

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