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Author Topic: Different slant on IEM pullouts  (Read 1455 times)

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Re: Different slant on IEM pullouts
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2018, 02:05:48 pm »

It's a knock off, not a real Senny.
Yeah. LOL! Either that, or the sales department at Sennheisers have gone off the rails!
Picture is labeled as xiaofega0.  Could be the retailer (not!)
A competitor to this phony is labeled on the transmitter and receiver as a FLZXJY.
Something fishy... Maybe a flounder. Probably working for SCALE. :P


If I can't pronounce it, I probably will not buy it.  No, that's not true, either...  I can't pronounce most acronyms. i.e., EAW, JBL
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Re: Different slant on IEM pullouts
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2018, 04:31:26 pm »

If I can't pronounce it, I probably will not buy it.  No, that's not true, either...  I can't pronounce most acronyms. i.e., EAW, JBL

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Re: Different slant on IEM pullouts
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2018, 05:30:07 pm »

Yeah. LOL! Either that, or the sales department at Sennheisers have gone off the rails!
Picture is labeled as xiaofega0.  Could be the retailer (not!)
A competitor to this phony is labeled on the transmitter and receiver as a FLZXJY.
Something fishy... Maybe a flounder. Probably working for SCALE. :P


If I can't pronounce it, I probably will not buy it.  No, that's not true, either...  I can't pronounce most acronyms. i.e., EAW, JBL

"There was something fishy about the butler, probably a Pisces, playing for scale."  - The Fire Sign Theatre

I took their line and ran with it, taking a swipe at the 4 string LF guitarists:

"There's something fishy about the *bass* (like the fish) player, probably a Pisces, playing for scale."
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Re: Different slant on IEM pullouts
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2018, 06:04:15 pm »

I may be missing something here, you have four band members and only two IEM systems, are some members sharing a mix or are some of them on hardwired IEM packs.

You mention four mono channels after the two IEM's. Are you sending four mixes by using the stereo inputs on the IEM transmitters and then the band members use the focus mode on the belt pack to select between the two mixes on their channel to get the one they need.

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Re: Different slant on IEM pullouts
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2018, 10:52:44 am »

"There was something fishy about the butler, probably a Pisces, playing for scale."  - The Fire Sign Theatre

I took their line and ran with it, taking a swipe at the 4 string LF guitarists:

"There's something fishy about the *bass* (like the fish) player, probably a Pisces, playing for scale."


Mea culpa.  Worn memories.  Intellectual interlude.  Good swipe!
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Re: Different slant on IEM pullouts
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2018, 10:09:02 am »

I may be missing something here, you have four band members and only two IEM systems, are some members sharing a mix or are some of them on hardwired IEM packs.

You mention four mono channels after the two IEM's. Are you sending four mixes by using the stereo inputs on the IEM transmitters and then the band members use the focus mode on the belt pack to select between the two mixes on their channel to get the one they need.
Sorry I did not answer your question, Mike. 
Correct I'm using FOCUS mode on the receivers to make four mono IEMS out of two transmitters.  Basically bought two IEM sets with two receivers each.
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Re: Different slant on IEM pullouts
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2018, 10:42:23 am »

...The first is the aforementioned Occlusion Effect, which is a MUCH bigger problem than you may think. 

This may help others (like me) to understand the effect.  Is this like covering your ears with your hands and singing?

-Dennis

Occlusion Effect
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Re: Different slant on IEM pullouts
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2018, 10:46:35 am »

This may help others (like me) to understand the effect.  Is this like covering your ears with your hands and singing?

[ url=https://starkeypro.com/pdfs/sas/A-Forgotten-Technique-For-Resolving-The-Occlusion-Effect.pdf ]Occlusion Effect[ /url ]

-Dennis
That's my understanding.  Now that you mention it, it would be helpful moving forward to make sure we're speaking the same language.  Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
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Re: Different slant on IEM pullouts
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2018, 02:58:27 pm »

This may help others (like me) to understand the effect.  Is this like covering your ears with your hands and singing?

-Dennis

Occlusion Effect

It is.

Essentially, when you close off your ear, your ear canal becomes a resonant chamber. This chamber will make your voice sound more than just muffled, it will actually resonate at certain frequencies depending on bone conduction and other things.  And the larger the "chamber" is [in my experience], the worse the problem is.

This becomes a particularly sticky issue when mixing IEMs because the person is the only one that can hear it.  So they'll report to the ME that their voice sounds "muffled" or Boxy" or whatever, and the ME will think they're just being finicky since he/she can't hear it.

Now mix that resonance with a few milliseconds of latency and you've got all kinds of weird comb filtering and other stuff going on in your ear.  And it's different for every person.  Joy.

When i first started using and mixing my own IEMs i got to experience all of this first hand, and it's a very real and definite issue that has to be solved differently depending on the artist.  For me, running my IEMs a touch hotter and actually ADDING a couple ms of delay on my vocal mic helped a good bit.  But fixing it for some of my other singers required all sorts of different solutions.  And some never had an issue at all.
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