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Weogo Reed

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Mackie ~ clues ?
« on: June 15, 2018, 11:02:06 AM »

Hi Folks,

Any clues as to what Mackie is announcing next week? :

 http://mackie.com/blog/master-fader-and-dl-series-live-stream

They say they are giving away a 'tablet' not specifically an Ipad,
so this has me wondering...

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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2018, 11:18:48 AM »

Hi Folks,

Any clues as to what Mackie is announcing next week? :

 http://mackie.com/blog/master-fader-and-dl-series-live-stream

They say they are giving away a 'tablet' not specifically an Ipad,
so this has me wondering...

I was a long time user of the Mackie DL 1608 until replacing it with a Soundcraft UI-24. Folks in the DL user community always gripes about the iOS only aspect of that box.  They bought in anyway...  My guess is that Mackie is going to either release  a new box that supports html5 browsing like the UI or port Master Fader to Android.

The former will annoy what usercommunity is left, the latter wil make the second best tablet mixing app available to more users.

Either way, the horse left the barn for me...  the UI rocks and now with the ability to link 2 UI 24’s via Ethernet 48 x 24 with stage left and right stage boxes and FOH  support via lan, those of us who mix on glass regularly have a pretty attractive setup.

Thanks and good health,  Weogo
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Re: Mackie ~ clues ?
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2018, 11:55:46 AM »

You can link 2 ui24 mixers??  Documentation somewhere??
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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2018, 12:27:11 PM »

They're probably going to release a DL404 that looks exactly like the DL1604 and DL806 chasis....but with less inputs.
(I'm being a wise @ss obviously).
But I remember at NAMM a few years back when the DL806 was a big announcement....which was laughable.

So you took your current ipad mix platform, removed 50% of the inputs/outputs, and only cut the price by 20%? 
Me to the Rep - How was this a good idea, and who do you expect to buy it?
Rep - People that are afraid of a large 16 channel mixer and are comfortable with a smaller notepad analog mixer.
Me - and those people that want a smaller mixer (and are afraid of 16 channels, which is in the exact same chasis!) are going to want an $800 mixer instead of a $200 dollar notepad mixer?  And/or will not pay $200 more for twice the features?  If they're going digital, and spending that much money, nobody in their right mind would not buy the 1608?  I predict you sell 5 of these DL806s.  (and then he stopped talking to me)

I had the DL1608 and thought it was great at the time.  Mackie needs a quantum leap in order to win back people who have moved on to more advanced products.
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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2018, 12:31:30 PM »

You can link 2 ui24 mixers??  Documentation somewhere??

Not sure in that but..  it has been in beta for around 6 months.  Danny Olesh offered me the beta group choice.  I was too busy to accept.  I believe they made the formal announcement at InfoComm.  IIRC you can link up to 3 UI-24s though I reserve the right to be wrong...  in my setup I am migrating to a 22” touch screen powered by an Intel NUC.

If the linking thing works out, I’ll be dumping some SI stuff cheap...

Are you in the Facebook ui group ?  It’s been a topic up there.  About the only reason for me to remain on FB these days.
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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2018, 12:33:05 PM »

@Jay Marr - The Ui-24r is that quantum leap.  Horse left the barn for this class of mixer.  My .02. - Worth every cent ;-)
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2018, 10:27:02 AM »

@Jay Marr - The Ui-24r is that quantum leap.  Horse left the barn for this class of mixer.  My .02. - Worth every cent ;-)

I may try the Ui series at some point, they look nice.
I left the DL1608 as soon as the X32-Rack came out.  For my needs, nothing beats the Xrack (yet).
6 Matrix mixes with Xover filters was a game changer for me.  I'm not sure if the Ui mixers have that, but if they do, I'll give them a serious look.
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Re: Mackie ~ clues ?
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2018, 12:21:21 PM »



Glad to hear your liking the Souncraft. I'm using a DL1608, and that is looking like my upgrade path, possibly this year. Do you use the internal wifi?
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2018, 12:35:45 PM »

Hi Jay,

The Mackie DL32R has 6 matrix outs, 6 VCAs, 6 SubGroups, 14 auxes, 32 XLRs in, 14 XLRs out, two balanced TRS outs, AES out. 6~24db/octave crossover slopes on outputs.

For 'mixing on glass' as Mal calls it, by far the fastest app for me is Mackie.
The 'Auto' fader select function rocks.

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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2018, 05:08:38 PM »

I run an external router jacked up on a mic stand most nights.  Especially if I’m going to wander. 
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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2018, 07:51:58 PM »

I run an external router jacked up on a mic stand most nights.  Especially if I’m going to wander.

Cool. I'll probably plan on using my APE for the Soundcraft. Can you elaborate on some of the differences between the Mackie vs the ui24? Sound quality, or is it features, or both?
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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2018, 11:28:11 PM »

Hi Folks,

 http://mackie.com/products/new-dl32s-dl16s

Two new Mackie mixers,
and yes,

Android control!

With PC and Mac control in the pipe!

Digital preamp control,
built-in WiFi,
multi-track USB recording.

Thanks and good health,  Weogo
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Re: Mackie ~ clues ?
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2018, 05:02:40 AM »

looks like B-XAir to me
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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2018, 09:27:23 AM »

"looks like B-XAir to me"

For me, a few significant differences:
) DL16 has six auxes AND six groups, while
X/M-Air-18 has a total of six buses for auxes OR groups.
I regularly use 5~6 auxes and 2~3 groups.

) Mackie has 6~24db/octave crossovers.
Handy for my externally powered tops and subs.
And a proper line delay on each output.

) L/R and Aux outs have parametric AND graphic EQs.
X/M-Air you have to choose one or the other.

) X/M-Air has an extra stereo channel and
some features Mackie doesn't currently have, including per-channel
pre- or post-fade sends.

) For the way I mix, the Mackie is a much faster app to use.

For bigger shows, I'll stick with my DL32R, smaller will get DL16S.
My MR18 will soon be relegated to backup.
 
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« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2018, 09:30:14 AM »

You can link 2 ui24 mixers??  Documentation somewhere??
It was posted on the UI24R FB page that with the new firmware version released this summer you will be able to cascade two Ui24rs together.
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Re: Mackie ~ clues ?
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2018, 09:40:31 AM »

looks like B-XAir to me

I think there's only so much that can be done with the form factor.
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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2018, 10:15:54 AM »

"looks like B-XAir to me"

For me, a few significant differences:
) DL16 has six auxes AND six groups, while
X/M-Air-18 has a total of six buses for auxes OR groups.
I regularly use 5~6 auxes and 2~3 groups.

) Mackie has 6~24db/octave crossovers.
Handy for my externally powered tops and subs.
And a proper line delay on each output.

) L/R and Aux outs have parametric AND graphic EQs.
X/M-Air you have to choose one or the other.

) X/M-Air has an extra stereo channel and
some features Mackie doesn't currently have, including per-channel
pre- or post-fade sends.

) For the way I mix, the Mackie is a much faster app to use.

For bigger shows, I'll stick with my DL32R, smaller will get DL16S.
My MR18 will soon be relegated to backup.
 
Thanks and good health,  Weogo

Minimal differences.
Too bad no Matrix Mixes, direct recording to SD/USB (without computer).

As far as the app....everyone has their preferences.
I have had DL1608 and X32 and X18.
I found the Mackie app the most clunky and confusing (and it was my primary mixer for a couple years).  Apps are always going to be personal preference (as everyone's brains work differently).

Xover filters are big one, and would make me think of this over the X18 (if I was buying today).  But not enough features to make me think about ditching the X32-Rack (which is the same price on the used market)
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