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David Morison

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Re: Need some advice please...
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2018, 09:54:25 AM »

Hi Steve, yes I was looking at getting that exact crossover as it has stereo function and sub out and is fairly cheap. The only thing is that I looked at some pictures online and it only has one xlr male input which I don't understand if it was stereo surely there should be 2 inputs?

It has one XLR female input per channel, so two inputs total - not sure where you're seeing one XLRM only?
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« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2018, 10:44:27 AM »

I just picked up this (passive) Radial Trim 2. It has stereo 1/4", RCA & 3.5mm inputs with an adjustable trim level. Stereo XLR outputs. Designed to connect laptops, IPads, DJ mixers, etc...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VKSUGXM/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Re: Need some advice please...
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2018, 12:01:04 PM »

It has one XLR female input per channel, so two inputs total - not sure where you're seeing one XLRM only?


Hi please see picture attached. I can only see one input point?
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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2018, 12:49:02 PM »



Hi please see picture attached. I can only see one input point?

There are 2 input connectors shown in the pic you posted.

The top row of labels is for a mono config. The labels below the connectors are for a more normal stereo config.

I agree the labels are not very clear.

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« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2018, 01:00:12 PM »

There are 2 input connectors shown in the pic you posted.

The top row of labels is for a mono config. The labels below the connectors are for a more normal stereo config.

I agree the labels are not very clear.

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Okay I can sort of understand where I would connect the inputs, but yes the labels are a bit confusing at first. Thanks for clarifying this Rob.
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« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2018, 07:19:32 AM »

There are 2 input connectors shown in the pic you posted.

The top row of labels is for a mono config. The labels below the connectors are for a more normal stereo config.

I agree the labels are not very clear.

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Yeah, perhaps they're trying to cover too many options with not a lot of silkscreening.
Poor labelling aside, I'm sure it'd've been cleared up with a simple RTFM on Kyle's part....
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« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2018, 04:02:06 PM »

Yeah, perhaps they're trying to cover too many options with not a lot of silkscreening.
Poor labelling aside, I'm sure it'd've been cleared up with a simple RTFM on Kyle's part....


Sorry David, I actually did take the time to read the manual before asking Rob for advise! The manual only shows one input point under the stereo and mono section which is why I was confused. So instead of just assuming where to plug the other input I thought let me rather double check.
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Re: Need some advice please...
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2018, 04:45:34 PM »


Sorry David, I actually did take the time to read the manual before asking Rob for advise! The manual only shows one input point under the stereo and mono section which is why I was confused. So instead of just assuming where to plug the other input I thought let me rather double check.

What is not said in the manual is whether the 2 low outputs when used as a stereo crossover have a high pass filter that matches the low pass filter on the sub out channel or whether they output all frequencies lower than the low/high low pass.

A little bit of internet research yields a believable answer:

from Behringer Community

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So I've now double checked on this and can confirm that what you've stated is indeed correct.

For 2-Way Stereo operation, each of the CX2310's input signals hits the LOW / HIGH XOVER knob which splits the signal into two bands (Highs and Lows) using the selected value to determine which frequencies pass to the HIGH output and which ones pass to the LOW output. Then the SUBW XOVER knob allows you to dial in which frequencies from the selected LOWS that you want to pass specifically to the subwoofer XLR output.

Again my apologies for the initial confusion. Hopefully this discussion helps others who might be confused similarly about the operation of this crossover.
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So it makes an OK 2 way stereo crossover, but doesn't make a good stereo 2 way plus combined sub crossover because you will still be feeding all the deep bass to your mid-bass drivers.

Marc
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Re: Need some advice please...
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2018, 05:31:12 PM »

What is not said in the manual is whether the 2 low outputs when used as a stereo crossover have a high pass filter that matches the low pass filter on the sub out channel or whether they output all frequencies lower than the low/high low pass.

A little bit of internet research yields a believable answer:

from Behringer Community

So it makes an OK 2 way stereo crossover, but doesn't make a good stereo 2 way plus combined sub crossover because you will still be feeding all the deep bass to your mid-bass drivers.

Marc

I read it differently.
While i agree that he did not explicitly say it but i expect the knob that adjusts what frequencies go to the sub is moving a crossover point between the subs and the lows for the tops.
Doing otherwise not only makes no sense but differs from all the other analog units of a similar nature.
I have an Ashley unit with the same functions though it is better labeled.



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« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2018, 06:36:41 PM »

While i agree that he did not explicitly say it but i expect the knob that adjusts what frequencies go to the sub is moving a crossover point between the subs and the lows for the tops.
Doing otherwise not only makes no sense but differs from all the other analog units of a similar nature.
I have an Ashley unit with the same functions though it is better labeled.

I agree that this makes no sense, but when you build a 2.5 way stereo crossover for just over $100, sometimes shortcuts are taken.  Elsewhere in the above referenced thread, someone says he measured one and that is how it behaves. It is cheaper to add one variable low pass after a summing circuit than it is to add a pair of high pass filters and a summer and a low pass filter, with all the frequencies coupled.

I don't have one, so I can't be certain by measuring, but that is what the consensus in that thread says.

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