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Kevin Graf

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Re: Ground this....
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2018, 05:04:59 pm »

+1... GFCI outlets and forget the copper plumbing ground will probably do less harm to humans, and be affordable.
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The camp ground is too cheap to install a grounding system, I don't think that they will go for GFCI breakers or receptacles.
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Re: Ground this....
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2018, 05:15:57 pm »

If the pipes are metal and accessible, they should be at least bonded to the Safety Ground at each pedestal. If there is 10 feet or more, metal pipe in the earth, they serve the same function as a ground rod.

Yes, the same function as a ground rod, which is a lightning strike earth path. But not the same functions as an EGC connected back the the service panel's Neutral-Ground Bonding point, which is the fault path that quickly trips the breakers if there's a hot-to-chassis short.
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Re: Ground this....
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2018, 05:33:16 pm »

+1... GFCI outlets and forget the copper plumbing ground will probably do less harm to humans, and be affordable.

JR

Are GFCI outlets available for all of the types of outlets that are found in an RV park?  There could be three or more different voltage/amperage outlets at each parking space.
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Re: Ground this....
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2018, 08:07:03 pm »

Are GFCI outlets available for all of the types of outlets that are found in an RV park?  There could be three or more different voltage/amperage outlets at each parking space.

Gfci for the  bigger amperage outlets will be expensive.


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Re: Ground this....
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2018, 11:42:06 pm »

Are GFCI outlets available for all of the types of outlets that are found in an RV park?  There could be three or more different voltage/amperage outlets at each parking space.

There's 3 different receptacles in a campground pedestal. The 20-amp outlet is required by code to be a GFCI. The 30-amp outlet is sometimes GFCI protected at state campgrounds. And I've heard of a few places that are installing a GFCI breaker on the 50-amp/120-240-volt outlet. But the problem of additive leakage currents is a real issue with the GFCI being this far upstream.   
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Re: Ground this....
« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2018, 10:14:59 am »

Gfci for the  bigger amperage outlets will be expensive.


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Yes perhaps, but how expensive is pulling new wire from the service panel?

If already GFCI just lose the Rube Goldberg screw clamp ground to the copper plumbing that could do more harm than good.. Even if not GFCI I see no reason to keep the faux "safety" ground.

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Re: Ground this....
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2018, 10:52:44 am »

If already GFCI just lose the Rube Goldberg screw clamp ground to the copper plumbing that could do more harm than good.. Even if not GFCI I see no reason to keep the faux "safety" ground.

There's no GFCIs on the 30 or 50 amp receptacles in this particular campground. Only the 20-amp receptacle has a GFCI and NOBODY uses that for an RV.
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« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2018, 11:29:09 am »

There's no GFCIs on the 30 or 50 amp receptacles in this particular campground. Only the 20-amp receptacle has a GFCI and NOBODY uses that for an RV.
Maybe pulling new wire isn't more expensive.

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« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2018, 02:17:12 pm »

Maybe pulling new wire isn't more expensive.

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Doing the right thing is almost always less expensive than a wrongful death lawsuit.
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« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2018, 02:37:12 pm »

Doing the right thing is almost always less expensive than a wrongful death lawsuit.

Amen, brother!
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