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Berhringer X32
« on: December 03, 2017, 12:28:03 pm »

Thanks for the add, I'm brand new in this forum.  I apologize in advance if my question has already been addressed.

The issue is that the praise team leader will read scripture or talk between songs.  I have to ride the fader because she will drop out of the house when she does that. I have been told that there is a way to set her mic channel so that I can set a "talk" level that is separate from the singing levels.  I need help figuring out how to do that. 

In other words, is there a fix so that I don't have to anticipate and ride her fader?

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Re: Berhringer X32
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2017, 01:05:36 pm »

I can't think of a feasible automated solution that doesn't require you to do something.

The real solution is to speak with your praise team leader about staying in the mic when speaking.
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Re: Berhringer X32
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2017, 01:33:24 pm »



The real solution is to speak with your praise team leader about staying in the mic when speaking.
First we need to know what kind of mic.
Lav, headset, lectern, handheld?
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Re: Berhringer X32
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2017, 03:16:03 pm »

In the config section of a channel strip you can select an input source.

By assigning two channel strips to the same input you can process each different and set the correct levels.
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Re: Berhringer X32
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2017, 04:10:52 pm »

The only thing I can think of is to set up a ducker on the singers channels that is triggered by the Praise leaders channel. This will " duck the singers under her. The issue is that the singers will swell in and out, which to me is actually the way it should be. I prefer to set a peak level instead of trying to make something go above the level that is already there.

If you bus the singers to a single mix you can trigger that mix bus to duck to the praise leader schannel. This way you only have to set one setting to the whole group singers instead of one for each singer.
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Re: Berhringer X32
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2017, 06:19:59 pm »

I don't think any of the standard threshold level based ducking, expanding ect. tricks would work that consistent without day to day tweaking for the band inconsistency.

Talk to her about the mic technique during speaking and ride the fader, that's why they call in 'running sound"

Actually splitting her mic input into two channels, one for singing and one for talking with gain and EQ set as needed and going back and forth between them was not a bad suggestion.

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Re: Berhringer X32
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2017, 07:04:47 pm »

While I normally just ride the faders when my WL's do this, I have heard of of people running parallel inputs for the WL singing v speaking as suggested by robert.  This can help ensure the processing on that channel is more appropriate for speech. However, you will still need to ride faders/ switch between channels using this method.
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Re: Berhringer X32
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2017, 12:08:27 am »

I can't think of a feasible automated solution that doesn't require you to do something.

The real solution is to speak with your praise team leader about staying in the mic when speaking.

Thanks but I have talked to her but she gets emotional and moves away from the mic. 
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Re: Berhringer X32
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2017, 12:09:49 am »

First we need to know what kind of mic.
Lav, headset, lectern, handheld?

Dynamic mic on boom stand. She is also the piano player.
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Re: Berhringer X32
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2017, 07:10:13 am »

Is there any weird processing on her channel that is specific to her singing vs her talking, I usually don't have too much of an eq difference between the two for my mixes personally but I can think of a few situations where there was.

I honestly think just riding the fader is the easiest option, you can maybe discus with her the the fact that a little heads up before the service as to when she is going to do it can help you a lot but sometimes these things are spontaneous.

Another question, what model microphone is she using, something that is hypercardiod might be good for bleed but maybe a cardiod microphone might assist in solving the problem.

If you have enough Gain Before Feedback(usually you don't) you can try some compression to give you a little more time to get to her channel as she is moving away.

Ergonomics wise I find it useful to always have my finger on the lead singers/worship leaders fader so that anything like that can be caught so I tend to make sure that its in a place where I can always get to it, you can maybe put things that you don't tweak that often on DCAs so that you can always stay on the bank that the vocals are on, alternatively put her voice alone on a DCA and keep your finger on it, also assign one of the quick assign keys to her mic's home page for quick access.

If the problem is simply that you are too lazy or preoccupied to just ride the fader, well the answer to that should come instinctively to you. The most important thing to do during praise and worship is to focus on what the band is doing during praise and worship and to hit your ques, even if they are unscripted.

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Re: Berhringer X32
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2017, 07:45:57 am »



Is there any weird processing on her channel that is specific to her singing vs her talking, I usually don't have too much of an eq difference between the two for my mixes personally but I can think of a few situations where there was.

I honestly think just riding the fader is the easiest option, you can maybe discus with her the the fact that a little heads up before the service as to when she is going to do it can help you a lot but sometimes these things are spontaneous.

Another question, what model microphone is she using, something that is hypercardiod might be good for bleed but maybe a cardiod microphone might assist in solving the problem.

If you have enough Gain Before Feedback(usually you don't) you can try some compression to give you a little more time to get to her channel as she is moving away.

Ergonomics wise I find it useful to always have my finger on the lead singers/worship leaders fader so that anything like that can be caught so I tend to make sure that its in a place where I can always get to it, you can maybe put things that you don't tweak that often on DCAs so that you can always stay on the bank that the vocals are on, alternatively put her voice alone on a DCA and keep your finger on it, also assign one of the quick assign keys to her mic's home page for quick access.

If the problem is simply that you are too lazy or preoccupied to just ride the fader, well the answer to that should come instinctively to you. The most important thing to do during praise and worship is to focus on what the band is doing during praise and worship and to hit your ques, even if they are unscripted.

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Excellent advice here.  To add slightly, depending on how you lay out the console, I often end up with one hand on the DCA's, the other hand riding the worship leader and lead guitar faders. 

The real answer is to remind her that backing away from the mic for  dynamics/effect may be what she is intending, but what is happening is she is going from leading to not leading/whispering to herself. 

I'm a fan of earworn mics, such as the Countryman Isomax or DPA d:fine directional with 4088 capsule.  That plus compression and riding the fader can be the technical fix. 

If you have a tight pattern dynamic, try a cardioid pattern condenser.  The SM86 for example isn't pricey and works well. 

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Re: Berhringer X32
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2017, 08:32:23 am »

Dynamic mic on boom stand. She is also the piano player.
You are looking for an technical solution for a user problem.
With a setup like this, the person using the mic needs to use it correctly and you will get good results.
The mic is as much an "instrument" as the piano is. If she learned to play piano, she can learn to use the mic.
Fix the problem at the source then use technology to fine tune.
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Re: Berhringer X32
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2017, 11:40:08 am »

Fix the problem at the source then use technology to fine tune.

This should be emblazoned in large gold letters on every mixing console.

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Re: Berhringer X32
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2017, 05:15:48 pm »

Thanks for the add, I'm brand new in this forum.  I apologize in advance if my question has already been addressed.

The issue is that the praise team leader will read scripture or talk between songs.  I have to ride the fader because she will drop out of the house when she does that. I have been told that there is a way to set her mic channel so that I can set a "talk" level that is separate from the singing levels.  I need help figuring out how to do that. 

In other words, is there a fix so that I don't have to anticipate and ride her fader?

As others have stated, this is a user training issue, and there is no technical fix for stupidity.

But, unfortunately, we find that we must wear kid gloves when dealing with users, and getting users to use things correctly without causing offense isn't always possible.

One possible solution is two microphones. One on the stand for vocals, like you already have, and another headworn or lavalier (bodypack) microphone worn by the leader for speaking. If the X32 allows (I don't know if it does), configure it to duck (mute) the bodypack microphone when the vocal mics are in use.

An advantage of the two-mic solution is that the bodypack allows the leader to step back from worship position and be more mobile while speaking, giving them a little more stage freedom.

So what will happen is that when singing, the signal in the vocal mics causes the channel for the bodypack microphone to be muted. When they stop singing, the bodypack unmutes so the leader can speak. The problem with this is that there's a moment when the headworn mic is unmuted as singing begins so there can be a loud and distracting burst, unless you configure a hard limiter on the bodypack mic channel.

A less technical solution that uses the same equipment is train the leader to mute the bodypack when singing and unmute it when speaking, although I've found that most people seem to be befuddled by mute switches, so maybe you'll just need to do the muting and unmuting yourself.
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Re: Berhringer X32
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2017, 10:06:00 pm »

As others have stated, this is a user training issue, and there is no technical fix for stupidity.

But, unfortunately, we find that we must wear kid gloves when dealing with users, and getting users to use things correctly without causing offense isn't always possible.

One possible solution is two microphones. One on the stand for vocals, like you already have, and another headworn or lavalier (bodypack) microphone worn by the leader for speaking. If the X32 allows (I don't know if it does), configure it to duck (mute) the bodypack microphone when the vocal mics are in use.

An advantage of the two-mic solution is that the bodypack allows the leader to step back from worship position and be more mobile while speaking, giving them a little more stage freedom.

So what will happen is that when singing, the signal in the vocal mics causes the channel for the bodypack microphone to be muted. When they stop singing, the bodypack unmutes so the leader can speak. The problem with this is that there's a moment when the headworn mic is unmuted as singing begins so there can be a loud and distracting burst, unless you configure a hard limiter on the bodypack mic channel.

A less technical solution that uses the same equipment is train the leader to mute the bodypack when singing and unmute it when speaking, although I've found that most people seem to be befuddled by mute switches, so maybe you'll just need to do the muting and unmuting yourself.
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Re: Berhringer X32
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2017, 10:34:19 pm »

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Re: Berhringer X32
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2017, 08:05:34 am »

If you go with a lav or head worn or whatever in addition to the boom-mounted mic, you can duck the wireless with the boom mic.  This would get you decent coverage and cut down on mixing changes once you get it dialed in.

Of course, that's an expensive solution to a user a problem.
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