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Robert Weaver

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Gym Speaker Setup - Project Completed merged
« on: October 01, 2017, 08:23:33 pm »

We are looking for new speakers for our gym. The only option that was given was to mount speakercraft cinema one profile aim speakers.  There will be 6 of these in three pairs.  Each pair I believe will be a stereo configuration. The gym is 100íx75íx28í. The whole goal in this was to get better speech reinforcement.  The company that quoted this system specializes in Home theatres. These speakers will be place behind the stage when we do VBS. We use 5-6 mics at any one time during VBS.  I personally think this system will be a disaster and isnít going to work.  Hanging speakers or speakers on a stand is not an option.  Iíve already told them this is going to be a feedback nightmare and trying to overcome 500 screaming kids isnít going to happen.  And the cost for this system is a little over $7K! 
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Re: Gym speaker setup
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2017, 08:38:41 pm »

We are looking for new speakers for our gym. The only option that was given was to mount speakercraft cinema one profile aim speakers.  There will be 6 of these in three pairs.  Each pair I believe will be a stereo configuration. The gym is 100íx75íx28í. The whole goal in this was to get better speech reinforcement.  The company that quoted this system specializes in Home theatres. These speakers will be place behind the stage when we do VBS. We use 5-6 mics at any one time during VBS.  I personally think this system will be a disaster and isnít going to work.  Hanging speakers or speakers on a stand is not an option.  Iíve already told them this is going to be a feedback nightmare and trying to overcome 500 screaming kids isnít going to happen.  And the cost for this system is a little over $7K!

Robert,
Why is this your only option?

Why is hanging speakers not an option?

While you need to run from this proposed solution, $7k for a typical gym install is super cheap.  I would start your budget at roughly double that for quality components.   Can you tell us a little more about your setups though, i.e. Seating locations, stage locations, and other uses besides VBS, such as basketball or other assemblies.


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Re: Gym speaker setup
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2017, 08:59:18 pm »

Robert,
Why is this your only option?

Why is hanging speakers not an option?

While you need to run from this proposed solution, $7k for a typical gym install is super cheap.  I would start your budget at roughly double that for quality components.   Can you tell us a little more about your setups though, i.e. Seating locations, stage locations, and other uses besides VBS, such as basketball or other assemblies.


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They are afraid of speakers falling from being hit by balls. I was told that in wall speakers are the only option that is acceptable.  For VBS itís setup in a fan shape to cover the whole basketball court. VBS is the main even in the gym.  We do junior church there, but itís only on one end inside the 3 point line.   The stage is 24x16. Itís set off the wall about 4í.  One of the options I have provided was mounting a Renkus Heinz Iconyx on the back wall.  I was told that in wall was the only option and that wasnít going to go.
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Re: Gym speaker setup
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2017, 09:04:02 pm »

There will be 6 of these in three pairs.  Each pair I believe will be a stereo configuration. The gym is 100íx75íx28í. The whole goal in this was to get better speech reinforcement.  The company that quoted this system specializes in Home theatres. These speakers will be place behind the stage when we do VBS. We use 5-6 mics at any one time during VBS. 
I would run as fast as I can-for several reasons.

What is the layout of the 3 sets of speakers vs the audience?

The idea of 3 "stereo" setups is completely wrong

Placing the speakers behind the stage is WRONG-ESPECIALLY with kids and mics.

7K is really to low when you consider the number of speakers, installation, alignment etc.

You are correct, this is not going to work and will be pretty much a waste of time and money.
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Re: Gym speaker setup
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2017, 09:32:06 pm »

They are afraid of speakers falling from being hit by balls. I was told that in wall speakers are the only option that is acceptable.  For VBS itís setup in a fan shape to cover the whole basketball court. VBS is the main even in the gym.  We do junior church there, but itís only on one end inside the 3 point line.   The stage is 24x16. Itís set off the wall about 4í.  One of the options I have provided was mounting a Renkus Heinz Iconyx on the back wall.  I was told that in wall was the only option and that wasnít going to go.

Can I take a guess at something.  The guy proposing these "speakercraft" speakers....is he on whatever board is calling the shots?  or is it his friend? Here is a good article which seems applicable to your situation...http://audiosystemsgroup.com/3Times.pdf

If a speaker falls from getting hit by a ball, your installer has serious problems.  Show your people this video....  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d0NIqoIqBg

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Re: Gym speaker setup
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2017, 12:05:55 am »

22 years ago we replaced in-wall speakers in a high school gym with one Soundsphere Q-12 (or whatever the comparable model was back then.  Dead center in the gym.  Unbelievable difference and voice intelligibility was outstanding.

My point is that simplicity is sometimes the best answer.
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2017, 02:03:48 am »

Can I take a guess at something.  The guy proposing these "speakercraft" speakers....is he on whatever board is calling the shots?  or is it his friend? Here is a good article which seems applicable to your situation...http://audiosystemsgroup.com/3Times.pdf

If a speaker falls from getting hit by a ball, your installer has serious problems.  Show your people this video....  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d0NIqoIqBg

The person is not affiliated in any way.  It was the first person they could get a hold of in the area.  Iíve been running the sound at my church for the last 13 years. In that time Iíve had to make upgrades to our existing auditorium system.  I do all of the support for anything audio visual. When it breaks or squeals they come to me. I love what I do, but if they go through with this Iím going to make it clear that Iím not attempting to fix any of it other than replacement.  What is going to happen is itís not going to work correctly during VBS. They will then call the people who installed it. They will come out and say everything works fine.
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Re: Gym speaker setup
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2017, 01:03:42 pm »

Robert, are you a volunteer?

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Re: Gym speaker setup
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2017, 11:44:31 am »

We are looking for new speakers for our gym. The only option that was given was to mount speakercraft cinema one profile aim speakers.  There will be 6 of these in three pairs.  Each pair I believe will be a stereo configuration. The gym is 100íx75íx28í. The whole goal in this was to get better speech reinforcement.  The company that quoted this system specializes in Home theatres. These speakers will be place behind the stage when we do VBS. We use 5-6 mics at any one time during VBS.  I personally think this system will be a disaster and isnít going to work.  Hanging speakers or speakers on a stand is not an option.  Iíve already told them this is going to be a feedback nightmare and trying to overcome 500 screaming kids isnít going to happen.  And the cost for this system is a little over $7K!

Robert,

Look into the following:
EV ZX1-90 $329 (90x50 Degrees coverage, single 8", 200w continuous/800w peak)
QSC E10 $379 each (85 Degrees coverage,  Single 10", 300W continuous/1200W peak)
Yamaha C112VA $419 (90x40 Degrees coverage, Single 12", 350W continuous/750w peak)
QSC S282H in White or Black $830 each (90x60 Degrees coverage, Dual 8", 450W continuous/900W peak)

We've used all quite effectively in Gym settings and as they are all passive, a $300-400 Crown amp can power 2, 3, or 4 easily. They all have quite rugged designs and are easy to hang with Eye bolts, chain, etc.

Y'all need to get a different quote stat!
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Re: Gym speaker setup
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2017, 12:43:52 pm »

Robert,

Look into the following:
EV ZX1-90 $329 (90x50 Degrees coverage, single 8", 200w continuous/800w peak)
QSC E10 $379 each (85 Degrees coverage,  Single 10", 300W continuous/1200W peak)
Yamaha C112VA $419 (90x40 Degrees coverage, Single 12", 350W continuous/750w peak)
QSC S282H in White or Black $830 each (90x60 Degrees coverage, Dual 8", 450W continuous/900W peak)

We've used all quite effectively in Gym settings and as they are all passive, a $300-400 Crown amp can power 2, 3, or 4 easily. They all have quite rugged designs and are easy to hang with Eye bolts, chain, etc.

Y'all need to get a different quote stat!

Y'all need to git real.  This is generally poor advice and the "easy to hang" part is extremely ill-advised.
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