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[Thomas Le]

So you've read about it, eh?  If you think this is simply another stick, you haven't read very well.  Since when are the Bose sticks steerable?

The RH stuff is in another league entirely.  I've experienced what it can do in some incredibly unfriendly acoustic environments with stunning success.
If you've not been able to get good sound and coverage with them either you haven't used them properly or you've simply chosen the wrong product for the job.

Believe me, I wouldn't have picked it if I had the choice, unfortunately I didn't have a say in this because they got installed before I arrived and I'm stuck with it. I listen to these install sticks every Sunday and I just want to rip it out of the walls because it's so terribly deployed. Two sticks covering a cathedral style church is a joke. The sound co that installed these at the church I volunteer at say they work fine but what they fail to understand is that they only tuned them when the church was EMPTY, NOT AT CAPACITY (500+). Sure it sounds OK when empty but when the bodies start to pack in, the system just suffers. If I were to call them saying they need to reprogram them, they're trying to charge a hefty fee and they locked the DSP control so that they only have access. I can already hear the cones distorting...

What's interesting is that the church has a separate system for music which is a distributed EAW AX system, why couldn't I route everything to that I don't know, but that's another story.

http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,148091.msg1360696.html

[g'bye, Dick Rees]

Believe me, I wouldn't have picked it if I had the choice, unfortunately I didn't have a say in this because they got installed before I arrived and I'm stuck with it. I listen to these install sticks every Sunday and I just want to rip it out of the walls because it's so terribly deployed. Two sticks covering a cathedral style church is a joke. The sound co that installed these at the church I volunteer at say they work fine but what they fail to understand is that they only tuned them when the church was EMPTY, NOT AT CAPACITY (500+). Sure it sounds OK when empty but when the bodies start to pack in, the system just suffers. If I were to call them saying they need to reprogram them, they're trying to charge a hefty fee and they locked the DSP control so that they only have access. I can already hear the cones distorting...

What's interesting is that the church has a separate system for music which is a distributed EAW AX system, why couldn't I route everything to that I don't know, but that's another story.

http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,148091.msg1360696.html

So the install isn't to your liking and that's the fault of the gear how?  I can understand  being frustrated at your apparently unfavorable relationship with those in charge, but I don't see how that makes the equipment sub-standard.

I can assure anyone reading this thread that properly designed and deployed the RH steerable column array gear can indeed cover a cathedral or other large space quite effectively contrary to the report from the afflicted user here.

[Lee Buckalew]

So you've read about it, eh?  If you think this is simply another stick, you haven't read very well.  Since when are the Bose sticks steerable?

The RH stuff is in another league entirely.  I've experienced what it can do in some incredibly unfriendly acoustic environments with stunning success.
If you've not been able to get good sound and coverage with them either you haven't used them properly or you've simply chosen the wrong product for the job.

First, all of the skinny columns that I have used are only decent for voice or background music due to the very small cone size.  They don't work well at all for full range music playback or live music.  Getting a bit wider, like the JBL CBT gets closer to being a real full range system but still not as good as a true full sized speaker or a really good micro-array.

Second, If your only option, due to customer demand, is a straight stick then the RH Iconyx can perform well within its significant frequency and SPL limitations but there are certainly far better sounding, more capable solutions available if having a stick is not the main driving factor, especially if you need full range music playback or live music reinforcement.


Lee

[David Sturzenbecher]

I can assure anyone reading this thread that properly designed and deployed the RH steerable column array gear can indeed cover a cathedral or other large space quite effectively contrary to the report from the afflicted user here.

+1. The iconyx is really a great product.  They do come in numerous different flavors (lengths) and like any speaker, will suffer when deployed improperly.  If you need output and frequency response for a band, you really need to be looking at IClive.



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[Mac Kerr]

My experience with the K-Array was disappointing. We tried every model in the line and even with voice they did not perform well.

While not really a portable system (although we used them on the Tonight Show), and very expensive, the Meyer Cal does just what it says it will, and sounds pretty damn good. One Cal 96 was used with 2 Meyer 500 subs per side as house PA for the Roots and the rest of the mics for Jimmy Fallon, which is a loud show.

Mac

[Nick Andrews]

I have used karray 402 and 802 many times and I really don't enjoy them. They really don't have much headroom , and if someone stands in front of it you lose that whole side pretty much.

I had an event  recently in a very upscale and famous room in nyc , the band insisted we use their k array 402 rig so I rolled with it. This room had a rotating dance floor , As people rotated on the floor , my mix kept changing along with the coverage. Never again. They are a very sleek looking solution, but being used to using what I would consider "real" gear, they are toys. Are they usable ? sure, if you know how to mix you can make almost anything work.

I really am loving my rcf nxl24 rig, it is super flexible and it has amazing horizontal coverage and a tight vertical which keeps the mix focused. Tons of headroom to... here is a shot from a recent event, this is 2 per side

[Riley Casey]

Thanks for the suggestions. This is absolutely about the look first, sound second but in my market sound in elegant spaces is a bigger business than concerts and festivals.  I've cross rented the older 100 and 200 series K-arrays for these applications before and was as underwhelmed as Mac and Nick. It's a brand that clients in this market know by name though so it has to be a starting place. Repurposing install market columns like the JBL CBTs I suspect are not going to meet the pretty test particularly the kludges required to make them work as portable boxes.  The L'Acoustics Syva that Diogo mentioned really do have the look that these clients want but it's not clear that they are anything more than vaporware at the moment. Has anyone on the list heard any of these?

[Bart Vervenne]

I own a K Array 402 and since last month a L'Acoustics Syva.
Because I am specialising in speeches and concerts for (mostly) acoustical instruments in special acoustic environments (churches,fabric halls ...) , I try to find a system that has better results in these situations. Of course we are not talking about rock concerts. I used my Syva last week for a sitting audience of 500 people  in a very difficult fabric hall with a lot of reflecting walls, a low ceeling, and other challinging acoustical problems. I was really surprised with the result. The voice was extremely clear up to the last row and not to loud on the first rows. There was a band (buffet piano, double bass, accordeon, guitar, clarinet, 2 singers) playing and the sound was very warm and clear.
I used to do this with the KR402 which was very good too but the 21-inch bass was much more difficult to handle. After all both systems are good but they sound very different. The KR402 needs a lot of tweaking to get a good sound, the Syva needs no tweaking at all, the Syva is expandable with extra subs, I didn't hear this combination until now.
Both systems are rather expensive, but we are talking about hi-end systems and the are all expensive. The advantage of the Syva is that there is a seperate amplifier that can be used with other L'Acoustics speakers , in the KR402 the amplifier is built in in the bass cabinet.

[Riley Casey]

This thread is a golden example of what makes this forum great.  Thanks

I own a K Array 402 and since last month a L'Acoustics Syva.
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[Don T. Williams]

This thread is a golden example of what makes this forum great.  Thanks

Good comment from Riley.  I own a KR200 system and have sold several KR202's in this area.  They do need a bit of tweaking, but in they right venue for the right type event they can work extremely well.  Other venues and uses, not so good.  I have read the opinion's from others about these type speakers, and agree they can be valid.  But, these KR200's get me repeat business year after year, and are requested by these clients.

I have multiple other systems from QSC, JBL, DB technologies, and EV.  I can pick what works best for me in a specific situation.  I have yet to find a single system that works equally well everywhere.  I'm still looking!

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