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Lyle Williams

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Re: Quiz What is the source of interference?
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2017, 11:25:21 PM »

Try using regular antennas.

The interference may be as a result of the amps in the paddles being overdriven by a nearby toy.
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Re: Quiz What is the source of interference?
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2017, 04:58:37 AM »

I could see them having a lot of money tied up in the toys and being rather reluctant to stop selling them.
Bingo...!
We optimised on the antenna placement and moved frequencies, so now we have a "good enough" wl performance, and they can sell the tous.
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Re: Quiz What is the source of interference?
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2017, 05:18:37 AM »

Try using regular antennas.

The interference may be as a result of the amps in the paddles being overdriven by a nearby toy.
We are using passive paddles, no need to amplify all the noise
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Re: Quiz What is the source of interference?
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2017, 03:59:51 AM »



Apparently they come with a built in Rf noise generator, this is what caused the interference in the video.

Hi Jens, do you have a scan of the noise? Wondering how it looks like... Is it wideband? Random peaks?

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Re: Quiz What is the source of interference?
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2017, 08:46:45 AM »


Hi Jens, do you have a scan of the noise? Wondering how it looks like... Is it wideband? Random peaks?

Enviado desde mi XT1072 mediante Tapatalk
It looks like this on a 9000 system, on a spectrum analyzer it looks like very fast moving peaks, so fast that they are not detected by the Rf meter on older analogue receivers.
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Re: Quiz What is the source of interference?
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2017, 09:01:46 AM »

Hi Jens,

Out of curiosity, how did the 6k perform under these conditions? Were there audible dropouts or artfacts?

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No audible artifacts, but dropouts (audio muting) with performers backstage etc. when i would have expected the system to work under normal RF conditions. They had used a ULX-D system before that performed worse, which is understandable considering the ULX-D beeing switching diversity and the 6000 true diversity.
Generally our 6000 and 9000 systems perform very good, we have just completed a large outdoor theatre play, very close to a large DVB-T broadcast transmitter without any problems.
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Re: Quiz What is the source of interference?
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2017, 05:31:59 PM »

The key to understanding receiver interference is to understand that many of the signals heard on a receiver (or visible on a spectrum analyser) do not actually exist "on air".

They are the result of imperfections in the receiver and pre-amps in front of it.

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Re: Quiz What is the source of interference?
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2017, 07:37:15 PM »

The key to understanding receiver interference is to understand that many of the signals heard on a receiver (or visible on a spectrum analyser) do not actually exist "on air".

They are the result of imperfections in the receiver and pre-amps in front of it.

When using lesser caliber equipment with low IP3 ratings. And it's not so much "imperfections" as it is saturation of the non-linear stage.
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Re: Quiz What is the source of interference?
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2017, 05:41:26 PM »

I struggled to find the right word.  Imperfections was not meant to mean "man, this receiver must have been built last thing on a Friday afternoon" but to indicate that things that we think of as perfectly linear are really "close enough to linear, in the absense of overload"

What we get out of a receiver is the receiver's response to the incoming signals, not the signals that were actually on air.  Under normal conditions this is close enough.
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