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[Mike Caldwell]

Here is what you need to consider when planning on a system for that room "The Youth Group is about to start using it for some lively contemporary worship"

The key words being "youth group" and "lively" that will take some good equipment that can take abuse and live to see another day!

Thinking about what I posted earlier about being very controlled with stage volume and going with electronic drums and the instruments all going direct is probably not going to work in this case. Most youth groups are in a completely different mind set when they start playing out live, unfortunately many times those bad habits carry on through the rest of their lives.

[David Allred]

A true center cluster is out, unless the projector can moved to the side and has some serious image off-set adjustment.

8" coax ceiling mounts?  I like sound coming at me from the visual source, but it is an option.

[g'bye, Dick Rees]

See above for the real solution.

Turning loose one of todays "praise bands" in a room that small will be brutal...as you probably suspect.

[Jerome Malsack]

See above for the real solution.

Turning loose one of todays "praise bands" in a room that small will be brutal...as you probably suspect.

So look at the quiter stage from Mike Sokol. 

http://www.prosoundweb.com/channels/live-sound/live_sound_advice_announces_free_seminars_with_mike_sokol/

[g'bye, Dick Rees]

My advice is to consider an all-acoustic ensemble.

[lindsay Dean]

is flipping the room longways an option ?

[Dustin Corey]

Wow,

I didn't expect that many replies. A big thanks to each of you for contributing!

I'll try to hit a few of the questions. I was thinking the 3k for really just the speakers/amps. The mixer, cables, instruments, snakes not in that estimate. And again, it's not a hard number. I don't think this room needs a 3k sub though. It's very small and could probably run on just a bass amp.

This group is much more concerned about having a move of God than the nuances of a sound system. Just take a look at the peavey speakers there now. If those looked better they would be 100% accepted. These aren't professional musicians and the audience isn't snobs about what they hear. I assure you, they will make more bad noises with playing and singing than a less than perfect sound system. And that's okay. At the end of the day it's a really small room and people don't expect it to sound like a "sanctuary".

Turning loose one of todays "praise bands" in a room that small will be brutal...as you probably suspect.

Yep! but they know that youth can come build a relationship with God even in a small room with awkward acoustics. I just want to give them something a little better than the portable system they are currently using in that room.

I will for sure talk to the youth leaders about electronic drums. I do see this as being the biggest issue in the whole setup. Acoustic drums would flood any bad mix.

I heard talks of doing more acoustic sets, so hopeful this will be the norm rather than the lively music.

I don't think turning the room long ways is an option, but good idea. I'll ask.

With the whole stage being remodeled, I bet the projector could be moved if a center cluster is the way to go.

[g'bye, Dick Rees]

One persons "joyful noise" is another persons "infernal racket".

I prefer the "still, small voice".

[David Allred]

One persons "joyful noise" is another persons "infernal racket".

I prefer the "still, small voice".

+1, but I also don't want to hear "How Great Thou Art" at the 4th of July celebration or school talent show.  That preference has nothing to do with church & state, just right song, right occasion.  Swerve.

[Jonathan Johnson]

First thing to keep in mind is that this room, by its shape and choice of surfaces, is acoustically compromised for worship. It looks like it would make a great classroom, not so much a worship space. Since you're starting out compromised, there's not a lot you can do to make it sound "great."

Not trying to discourage you; just trying to make sure your expectations are realistic.

A well designed overhead center cluster will probably provide the best sound. It usually does. The room is small enough that coverage shouldn't be a problem.

The cluster should be over the front edge of the stage if possible. Having speakers behind mics is a recipe for uncontrollable feedback. As it is, with the size of the room, your "talent" will need to stay pretty close to the mic to keep feedback at bay.

With the low ceiling, you will have to have a really low profile cluster. If you go with a cluster, you may have to move the projector & screen. Moving the projector & screen to one side will make it more difficult for half the room to see (unless you go with two screens or turn the screen inward slightly.

If you go with two sets of speakers, be aware that there will be comb filtering in the center of the room that will make it sound wonky. Don't try to do anything in stereo, because most of the room won't hear a proper stereo image.

Young folks can be pretty energetic (understatement of the year, there) and keeping volume levels low will take some strong discipline. The principles behind Mike Sokol's "semi-silent stage" will be important for keeping stage volume under control and, therefore, a clean mix and good coverage.

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