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David Sturzenbecher

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Re: Soundgrid servers
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2017, 03:24:02 pm »

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Just watch your latency. Some applications will be an issue...some will not, if you are running channels inserts, bus inserts, master inserts all at the same time you can run into all the latency building up and causing issues. And if you are running monitors from the same desk, be very careful with inserts.


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Re: Soundgrid servers
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2017, 03:40:39 pm »

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Just watch your latency. Some applications will be an issue...some will not, if you are running channels inserts, bus inserts, master inserts all at the same time you can run into all the latency building up and causing issues. And if you are running monitors from the same desk, be very careful with inserts.


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I split the channels I put more than one plugin on or that goes into IEM for latency reasons.

I made a latency report for my setup.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1aakqkwy4ns91a2/Latency%20Waves.pdf?dl=0
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Re: Soundgrid servers
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2017, 03:49:33 pm »

*typed before Helge's response*
Just watch your latency. Some applications will be an issue...some will not, if you are running channels inserts, bus inserts, master inserts all at the same time you can run into all the latency building up and causing issues. And if you are running monitors from the same desk, be very careful with inserts.


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Helge has me thinking about a sub $1000 solution that would give me 8 chains.  I don't use the line level connection on the back of the M32 anyway.


So a firewire 8 channel interface
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Re: Soundgrid servers
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2017, 03:50:11 pm »

Dante has too much latency for Soundgrid use.

This is the setup on my Souncraft Performer:

1. Computer running multirack Soundgrid. It acts as the GUI for the plugins, all the processing is done by the server
2. Soundgrid Server, it does the number crunching.
3. Digigrid MGO optical to soundgrid converter. Converts signals from optical madi to the soundgrid transport protocol and back again.
4. Network switch that connects all the units.

The desk is loaded with a Optical Madi options card. The desk sees the inputs/outputs of the options card.

Hope this helps.

http://www.waves.com/1lib/images/live/sliders/madi/sg/2.jpg


Helge - Are you running a generic "white box" for the Soundgrid server?
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Re: Soundgrid servers
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2017, 04:33:56 pm »


Helge - Are you running a generic "white box" for the Soundgrid server?

No, I'm running a Soundgrid server one.
http://www.waves.com/hardware/soundgrid-server-one
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Re: Soundgrid servers
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2017, 06:28:07 pm »

Dante has too much latency for Soundgrid use.

Is this true when using the Rednet PCIe and not DVS to feed multirack native?
Just invested in the PCIe:-(

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Re: Soundgrid servers
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2017, 06:48:19 pm »

Is this true when using the Rednet PCIe and not DVS to feed multirack native?
Just invested in the PCIe:-(

+1, I had too much latency with my X32 and a Dante card.  I remember a thread on the Music Group forum for Waves Multirack w/ Dante being informative at the time.

This $2000 DiGiGrid MGB device looks nifty although almost twice as much as the IO slot cards.  If there is a valid argument or use case under your circumstances for its portability or possible transferability between mixers - the price may be reasonable.  I spent $1200 on a Waves card for the GLD and again for the S21... $2400...
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Re: Soundgrid servers
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2017, 09:24:04 pm »

Is this true when using the Rednet PCIe and not DVS to feed multirack native?
Just invested in the PCIe:-(


Well you can only use the Rednet card in native mode so that doesn't help.


You can run Dante virtual sound card with the M32 Dante interface but what does that get you?


The bottom line is Soundgrid only supports MADI and that's a big investment.  I need to get comfortable with native mode before spending another 2k



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Re: Soundgrid servers
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2017, 02:40:11 pm »

Quick question for you Soundgrid users - Is it possible for the connection between the server and laptop to be wireless?

Thanks for your help!

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Re: Soundgrid servers
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2017, 12:39:15 am »


Well you can only use the Rednet card in native mode so that doesn't help.


You can run Dante virtual sound card with the M32 Dante interface but what does that get you?


The bottom line is Soundgrid only supports MADI and that's a big investment.  I need to get comfortable with native mode before spending another 2k

You should be able to run DVS with the dante card, but DVS has a latency limitation that other dante devices do not.  I've run over 32 channels through waves multirack native, a macbook pro and an assortment of console USB interfaces.   Pending the plugin's themselves and your computers ability to keep buffer sizes low you should be able to get below 8ms without much trouble.  I've gotten down to about 4.5ms (round trip) using this method on my S21.

The Rednet PCIe card should avoid the limitation of DVS and get you down to about 3ms (again, plugin and buffer permitting).  This would still be multirack native or any other plugin host for that matter.

Soundgrid cards in mixers with a soundgrid server will go even faster and handle more plugins.
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