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bill jones chauncey

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jbl 828p vs meyer650p
« on: September 25, 2016, 12:37:13 am »

I am putting together my small band PA. So far i have two jbl srx 815p's. I see on the local cl a Meyer powered sub , a 650-p. they r asking 1600. And that happens to be  the price of what the brand new srx828p powered double18 costs. ( a dent n scratch from AMS).

I was told the Meyer sub is an early one and weighs mucho. whatever early means. maybe it means old and tired.  i could use some guidance please. i love love love the 815p. and the matching modern JBL sub would be great. One the other hand i have always dreamed about owning a Meyer anything. ( i am a hobbyist. i don't do any sound jobs. thanks for any advice.

I guess the main question is does it really go sonically lower and also be loud enough for the two 815p's 
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Re: jbl 828p vs meyer650p
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2016, 09:06:42 am »

I am putting together my small band PA. So far i have two jbl srx 815p's. I see on the local cl a Meyer powered sub , a 650-p. they r asking 1600. And that happens to be  the price of what the brand new srx828p powered double18 costs. ( a dent n scratch from AMS).

I was told the Meyer sub is an early one and weighs mucho. whatever early means. maybe it means old and tired.  i could use some guidance please. i love love love the 815p. and the matching modern JBL sub would be great. One the other hand i have always dreamed about owning a Meyer anything. ( i am a hobbyist. i don't do any sound jobs. thanks for any advice.

I guess the main question is does it really go sonically lower and also be loud enough for the two 815p's
It depends on what you really need it for.

Are you talking about 1 sub and 2 tops? 

You say you are a "hobbyist".  I am not exactly sure what that means.

For playing around in your house or back yard, a single of either sub would probably be enough, depending on musical style and how loud you need it to get.

It would help to know what sort of usage you intend, before anybody can state if either sub would be suitable.

For some uses you should probably use at least 4 of either sub for the 2 tops.  But 1 might be enough.
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Re: jbl 828p vs meyer650p
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2016, 10:34:20 am »

I've never heard a 650p, but based on the spec sheets I'd give the nod to the SRX. It's lighter, has DSP settings to work well with your tops, and should get a little bit louder. The Meyer is only rated at 600 watts per driver, and that's a burst rating.


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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2016, 03:15:21 pm »

thanks Scott. JBL SRX has such a great reputation. In addition i could buy 2 of the 800 series single 18 but from what i have learned reading the web a 2x18 is better, louder, and cheaper then 2 singles.


so that is it :)  i can't imagine finding a better fit then the matching sub of the same series.  It'll be a tight lil thBTW, i ordered my 815's as Dent n Scratched. they were not dented or scratched. i registered them just like new ones. So at 1599 the srx828p is the winner.
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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2016, 12:24:17 pm »

thanks Scott. JBL SRX has such a great reputation. In addition i could buy 2 of the 800 series single 18 but from what i have learned reading the web a 2x18 is better, louder, and cheaper then 2 singles.


so that is it :)  i can't imagine finding a better fit then the matching sub of the same series.  It'll be a tight lil thBTW, i ordered my 815's as Dent n Scratched. they were not dented or scratched. i registered them just like new ones. So at 1599 the srx828p is the winner.

And to be honest you would also be happy with just a pair if the single 18's, but I agree the double 18 is a better value. I run my 815's over just one 818 per side. I use the volume attenuators to balance the system.
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Re: jbl 828p vs meyer650p
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2016, 03:24:54 pm »

As far as I know, the Meyer offerings for there large format stuff only work on 240 volt 30 amp receptacles. You would have to make a plug if this one doesn't come with it.
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2016, 06:45:19 pm »

As far as I know, the Meyer offerings for there large format stuff only work on 240 volt 30 amp receptacles. You would have to make a plug if this one doesn't come with it.
I've run some Meyer gear off of 120V.

So-it depends
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Re: jbl 828p vs meyer650p
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2016, 07:53:32 pm »

As far as I know, the Meyer offerings for there large format stuff only work on 240 volt 30 amp receptacles. You would have to make a plug if this one doesn't come with it.

The long discontinued Meyer 650P runs on either 120 or 240 volts.

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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2016, 08:07:42 pm »

I should have added that it will run on 240 OR 120, the receptacle itself is a 30 amp 240 volt variant. Hence why I said he will have to make a plug if it doesn't come with one.
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Re: jbl 828p vs meyer650p
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2017, 01:24:25 am »

Spent LOTS of time with the 650P... it was one of the early subs to go down low and give some real action at 30Hz.  Its also as tight as a bowl of Jello.   I'm a huge Meyer fan boy, and love everything about everything they do.  But I would never buy 650P subs.  Maybe if I needed something for hip-hop but otherwise they are too slow, too sloppy, and nothing close to the output of modern large format subs.  Vs Mi boxes I'd take the Meyer, but otherwise nope.  They use Caire drivers with 3" voice coils, products from a different time.  New drivers have much more output, much lower power compression, and just sound better.

The Meyer 700 was a totally different sounding box and with a bit of wrestling at 90-100 Hz always sounds good assuming you have enough for the gig.  If you're looking at 700s then yes absolutely get them!


I am putting together my small band PA. So far i have two jbl srx 815p's. I see on the local cl a Meyer powered sub , a 650-p. they r asking 1600. And that happens to be  the price of what the brand new srx828p powered double18 costs. ( a dent n scratch from AMS).

I was told the Meyer sub is an early one and weighs mucho. whatever early means. maybe it means old and tired.  i could use some guidance please. i love love love the 815p. and the matching modern JBL sub would be great. One the other hand i have always dreamed about owning a Meyer anything. ( i am a hobbyist. i don't do any sound jobs. thanks for any advice.

I guess the main question is does it really go sonically lower and also be loud enough for the two 815p's
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Re: jbl 828p vs meyer650p
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2017, 06:17:44 pm »

Spent LOTS of time with the 650P... it was one of the early subs to go down low and give some real action at 30Hz.  Its also as tight as a bowl of Jello.   I'm a huge Meyer fan boy, and love everything about everything they do.  But I would never buy 650P subs.  Maybe if I needed something for hip-hop but otherwise they are too slow, too sloppy, and nothing close to the output of modern large format subs.  Vs Mi boxes I'd take the Meyer, but otherwise nope.  They use Caire drivers with 3" voice coils, products from a different time.  New drivers have much more output, much lower power compression, and just sound better.

The Meyer 700 was a totally different sounding box and with a bit of wrestling at 90-100 Hz always sounds good assuming you have enough for the gig.  If you're looking at 700s then yes absolutely get them!

Hi Pat, I'm a bit of a Meyer fan boy too, and have (just one) 650-P still kicking. 
I think alot of folks, including me, expected the 650-P to be a 650-R2 replacement, only self-powered. 
But it's not. According to Meyer, the 650-P was built to mate with the MSL-4, with extraordinary phase alignment even for Meyer. 
I find the 650-P to be a highly refined sub.....tight as a stone....until you push it into limiting, which happens ALL too quick IMO...then you get the jello you speak of...

Anyway, at it's designed output level,  I would absolutely love to hear, probably even own, a huge ass WALL of 650-P's  :)
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Re: jbl 828p vs meyer650p
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2017, 03:21:55 pm »

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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2017, 09:05:40 pm »

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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2017, 12:30:24 am »

Mark, agree with all that you say and yes the r2 did have a certain mojo.  A wall of 650Ps, well out of limiting... would be a great thing in the right application. 

I'm a bit of a Meyer fan boy too,
Anyway, at it's designed output level,  I would absolutely love to hear, probably even own, a huge ass WALL of 650-P's  :)
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« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2017, 02:17:47 am »

Mark, agree with all that you say and yes the r2 did have a certain mojo.  A wall of 650Ps, well out of limiting... would be a great thing in the right application.

Not due to any planning, just random luck I ended up with 12 650R2's, processors (some with sense and some without) recone kits and a few baskets.  They have 2 things going for them 1 - They are paid for 2 - They say Meyer on them.

Long story not worth going into as not relevant but they will all be in one place in a few weeks and they are going to go out with 16 (two 8 box hangs) of FBT Muse 210's  We had two 4 box hangs and 6 of the 650R2's at CLE Pride this year and they did fairly well. 

I don't know how the P's compare to the R2's.

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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2018, 05:58:26 pm »

Hi Pat, I'm a bit of a Meyer fan boy too, and have (just one) 650-P still kicking. 
I think alot of folks, including me, expected the 650-P to be a 650-R2 replacement, only self-powered. 
But it's not. According to Meyer, the 650-P was built to mate with the MSL-4, with extraordinary phase alignment even for Meyer. 
I find the 650-P to be a highly refined sub.....tight as a stone....until you push it into limiting, which happens ALL too quick IMO...then you get the jello you speak of...

Anyway, at it's designed output level,  I would absolutely love to hear, probably even own, a huge ass WALL of 650-P's  :)


We did a show a number of years ago when we had a dozen 650P's using the Hill M6 top's. 17 tops per side and 12-650P per side. It was amazing how much air was moved and how low it went. I remember when the 700HP was introduced thinking that the spec didn't go as low as the old 650's. Thinking how is that a replacement to the 650 when so many people loved the depth of them. It seems that every few years, a newer louder or lower sub is introduced and is all the rage. Ex: the 1100LFC then the VLFC. Seems it now takes two products to match what a wall of 650's would once complete.

Picture attached from during load in. I remember the roof and stage guys being about 16 hours behind schedule which had us start load in at like 10PM the night prior to the show. picture circa 2002!
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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2018, 12:45:06 pm »


We did a show a number of years ago when we had a dozen 650P's using the Hill M6 top's. 17 tops per side and 12-650P per side. It was amazing how much air was moved and how low it went. I remember when the 700HP was introduced thinking that the spec didn't go as low as the old 650's. Thinking how is that a replacement to the 650 when so many people loved the depth of them. It seems that every few years, a newer louder or lower sub is introduced and is all the rage. Ex: the 1100LFC then the VLFC. Seems it now takes two products to match what a wall of 650's would once complete.

Picture attached from during load in. I remember the roof and stage guys being about 16 hours behind schedule which had us start load in at like 10PM the night prior to the show. picture circa 2002!

I would have loved to heard that....thx for posting.
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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2018, 03:43:11 pm »

I would have loved to heard that....thx for posting.

Come to Cleveland, we can roll 12 650R2's out of the warehouse and have some fun.
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2018, 09:14:47 am »

Come to Cleveland, we can roll 12 650R2's out of the warehouse and have some fun.

Sounds fun Scott thx, it would be great to meet.
I'll be sure to get in touch if i see myself heading that way
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