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Peter Morris

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Re: New Allen & Heath: dLive Series
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2015, 07:32:16 AM »

Is the expansion I/O of Dlive compatible with DSnake of the cheaper GLD/Qu range ?

No its not.  Processing is in the rack so it uses audio and full control down the cat5. It has so many inputs AH developed Giga-ACE. Giga ACE is not compatible with the old ACE or Dsnake.

The d-live is a serious Pro desk targeted way above the Qu / GLD range.
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Re: New Allen & Heath: dLive Series
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2015, 08:39:16 AM »

Peter, Yes, we will have a "Letter Box Adaptor" that will allow you to install a standard ACE card into one of the 5 card slots and do a digital split to an existing iLive, in fact you can do the digital split via any of the current I/O card setups.

Your iLive will still need its own mix rack, as that system is native to the iLive surface and the new DM series racks are native to the new S series surfaces, but you can digitally split between desks (64 channels to an iLive)

If you have (2) dLive systems, then you will be able to share the 128 channels between systems with digital gain tracking (in a future firmware) we will have a 128 Channel Giga-Ace card, which will also allow 2 surfaces on 1 DM rack provided you don't go over the chancel count (so effectively you could have 2 x 64 channel systems off 1 mix rack) however just keep in mind there is still One scene memory for the rack.

We will have more in-depth case studies and system examples as this product nears its go live date to the public which will be late August/Sept, until then we will be in a pretty extensive Beta with multiple users before it goes out public.
 The system is capable of a total of 848 x848 with the new 128 channel option cards (5 of them!)

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Re: New Allen & Heath: dLive Series
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2015, 12:01:53 PM »

Hi, Michael!

So Dante or something would be the easiest way to get things to and from a GLD from a dLive?
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Re: New Allen & Heath: dLive Series
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2015, 07:56:42 PM »

So Dante or something would be the easiest way to get things to and from a GLD from a dLive?

As I understand you could use Dante or ACE.  You can also use two surfaces with one rack with the d-Live, one for FOH and one for FB – a very cost effective solution.

Just to give you an idea of how powerful the d-Live is I have done a quick comparison. It’s a bit tricky to find the information and difficult to do a really good comparison because of the different way things are specified, so I have taken my best guess … please excuse any mistakes  :-\

•   Digico – SD7 – 48/96/192 KHz, 256 processing channels, 128 busses, GEQs 32, EFX 48, 5.1 capable, Latency 1.1ms
•   AVID SL6 / EL6-192 – 48/96 KHz, 192 processing channels, 96 busses, 32 GEQs, Plug-ins 200, DCA’s 24
•   Midas Pro X – 96KHz, 168 processing channels, 99 busses, 36 GEQs, 40 EFX, 5.1 capable, latency 2ms
•   dLive – 96KHz, 160 processing channels, 64 busses, 64 GEQs, 16 EFX, 5.1 capable, Latency 0.58ms, DCA’s 24
•   Digico SD10 - 48/96 KHz, 96 /108 processing channels, 48/71 busses, GEQs 24, EFX 16, Latency 1.1ms, DCA’s 24
•   Soundcraft Vi6 – 48/96 KHz, 96 inputs, 35 busses, latency 2ms, 16 DCA’s
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Re: New Allen & Heath: dLive Series
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2015, 08:01:44 PM »

As I understand you could use Dante or ACE.  You can also use two surfaces with one rack with the d-Live, one for FOH and one for FB – a very cost effective solution.

Just to give you an idea of how powerful the d-Live is I have done a quick comparison. It’s a bit tricky to find the information and difficult to do a really good comparison because of the different way things are specified, so I have taken my best guess … please excuse any mistakes  :-\

•   Digico – SD7 – 48/96/192 KHz, 256 processing channels, 128 busses, GEQs 32, EFX 48, 5.1 capable, Latency 1.1ms
•   AVID SL6 / EL6-192 – 48/96 KHz, 192 processing channels, 96 busses, 32 GEQs, Plug-ins 200, DCA’s 24
•   Midas Pro X – 96KHz, 168 processing channels, 99 busses, 36 GEQs, 40 EFX, 5.1 capable, latency 2ms
•   dLive – 96KHz, 160 processing channels, 64 busses, 64 GEQs, 16 EFX, 5.1 capable, Latency 0.58ms, DCA’s 24
•   Digico SD10 - 48/96 KHz, 96 /108 processing channels, 71 busses, GEQs 24, EFX 16, Latency 1.1ms, DCA’s 24
•   Soundcraft Vi6 – 48/96 KHz, 96 inputs, 35 busses, latency 2ms, 16 DCA’s

Peter,
Not that I want you to do more work, but many would like to see how the PM10 stacks up to this lineup.

Edit: And maybe also the Roland Orcha M-5000
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Re: New Allen & Heath: dLive Series
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2015, 09:01:24 PM »

Peter,
Not that I want you to do more work, but many would like to see how the PM10 stacks up to this lineup.

Edit: And maybe also the Roland Orcha M-5000

It’s very tricky with the Roland Orcha M-5000. It has configurable architecture eg.  94 in + 16 aux + 8 matrix ..or.. 74 in + 48 aux + headphones, talkback etc.  It has a total of 128 inputs + outputs.
   
It can manage 300 inputs and 296 outputs on the network. The d-Live in comparison can manage 814 inputs and 824 outputs.
 
PM10 - 44.1/48/88.2/96KHz, 144 inputs, 72 mix busses, 36 matrix busses, 48 GEQs, 24 DCAs, Network Latency  11 samples @44.1 KHz, 12 samples @ 88.2KHz.
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Re: New Allen & Heath: dLive Series
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2015, 10:05:17 PM »

Michael J Palmer,

I am confused, you signature line says that you are “VP Sales Allen & Heath and Turbosound USA”. I thought that Music Group bought Turbosound. Can you please explain.
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Re: New Allen & Heath: dLive Series
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2015, 10:52:59 PM »

Looks great, but as an iLive owner I now suspect my desk is now entering the dreaded "end of life" :(

Probably getting there--but the iLive kind of lives in that space between the dLive and GLD (both in terms of price and channel count), at least for now. I'd expect that eventually we'll see a new product based on the same FPGA architecture that will be sized more like the current version of iLive (maybe a GLD MkII with 64 in and 32 out?)
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Re: New Allen & Heath: dLive Series
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2015, 04:18:53 AM »

I'd love to see how the latency numbers work on the DLive.  What's the path?  from Analog input on Stage Rack to Analog Output on Stage rack after hitting a full processed channel?

Just FYI the DigiCo numbers for Processing Channels INCLUDE the busses.


As I understand you could use Dante or ACE.  You can also use two surfaces with one rack with the d-Live, one for FOH and one for FB – a very cost effective solution.

Just to give you an idea of how powerful the d-Live is I have done a quick comparison. It’s a bit tricky to find the information and difficult to do a really good comparison because of the different way things are specified, so I have taken my best guess … please excuse any mistakes  :-\

•   Digico – SD7 – 48/96/192 KHz, 256 processing channels, 128 busses, GEQs 32, EFX 48, 5.1 capable, Latency 1.1ms
•   AVID SL6 / EL6-192 – 48/96 KHz, 192 processing channels, 96 busses, 32 GEQs, Plug-ins 200, DCA’s 24
•   Midas Pro X – 96KHz, 168 processing channels, 99 busses, 36 GEQs, 40 EFX, 5.1 capable, latency 2ms
•   dLive – 96KHz, 160 processing channels, 64 busses, 64 GEQs, 16 EFX, 5.1 capable, Latency 0.58ms, DCA’s 24
•   Digico SD10 - 48/96 KHz, 96 /108 processing channels, 71 busses, GEQs 24, EFX 16, Latency 1.1ms, DCA’s 24
•   Soundcraft Vi6 – 48/96 KHz, 96 inputs, 35 busses, latency 2ms, 16 DCA’s
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Re: New Allen & Heath: dLive Series
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2015, 04:30:15 AM »

Probably getting there--but the iLive kind of lives in that space between the dLive and GLD (both in terms of price and channel count), at least for now. I'd expect that eventually we'll see a new product based on the same FPGA architecture that will be sized more like the current version of iLive (maybe a GLD MkII with 64 in and 32 out?)

Ten years ago the iLive was actually a very powerful and excellent sounding desk – 64 channels and 32 Aux’s all with GEQs and the effects were gorgeous. In comparison the Yamaha PM5d had 48 channels and 24 Aux’s; however the market never perceived the iLive for what it really was.

I suspect that d-Live is actually a replacement for the iLive, however as I understand the iLive will continue at a very completive price. The iLive modular (idr 10) recently received a CPU upgrade and is still in terms of performance, a very respectable desk, as is the iLive T.

The d-Live comes with 3 surface sizes and 3 rack sizes. When you consider the Allen and Heath range.

•   Qu – 16,24,32,
•   GLD 80, 112,
•   iLiveT 80, 112,
•   d-live 3000, 5000, 7000

I think they have all bases covered.

You have to also consider that Digico, Calrec and Allen & Heath are now the same company.
http://www.allen-heath.com/digico-allen-heath-calrec-announce-formation-new-proaudio-group/

Digico has also just released a Gen 3 console; the S21 that seems to fit into one of those spaces.
http://www.digico.biz/s21/

I have meet James Gordon and some of his team from Digico as well as some of the senior guys from Allen and Heath – Like all of us on this board they are very ethical, have a passion for all things audio & customer service. I’m expecting great things from this new company.

Sorry to sound like I work for the group – I don’t – I was just soooo impressed when I had a play the d-Live recently in Bangkok ;)

I believe it will be at InfoComm - check it out, it will be worth your time.
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