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[carlos hill]

Ok guys need help! 

Our church is planning a large meeting in April for about 600 people we are renting the local convention center and need to bring in our own audio equiptment.  The building size is 8900 sq ft with about 25-30 foot ceilings the room is carpeted and somewhat lively (a glorified gymnasium).  One of our guys found a qsc system featuring a 18" woofer on the floor with a single 12" mid/high speaker on a stand above he seems to think that the system along with a pair of the same qsc speaker in a 10" mid/high will be sufficient.  I don't know any thoughts?

[TJ (Tom) Cornish]

Ok guys need help! 

Our church is planning a large meeting in April for about 600 people we are renting the local convention center and need to bring in our own audio equiptment.  The building size is 8900 sq ft with about 25-30 foot ceilings the room is carpeted and somewhat lively (a glorified gymnasium).  One of our guys found a qsc system featuring a 18" woofer on the floor with a single 12" mid/high speaker on a stand above he seems to think that the system along with a pair of the same qsc speaker in a 10" mid/high will be sufficient.  I don't know any thoughts?

What is the event?  A silent monk convention?  A Screamo festival?  You haven't given much info to comment on.

General best practice is to have matching components.

[Ray Aberle]

Does the Convention Center have a Preferred Provider List, which would be a listing of AV rental/production companies that they have used in the past that they like? By utilizing one of these companies, you will find people who have ran sound in the venue in the past, so they know what works, or what doesn't work.

More importantly, they'll worry about the sound so you don't have to do something that might be out of your element.

Where are you located? Perhaps someone on here is close by or can otherwise give you some suggestions?

-Ray

[Ivan Beaver]

Just ot add to the other responses-what is the exact layout of the room.  square footage could mean all kids of different shapes.

The speaker system needs to cover a specific shape (is it square-long and narrow-if so which was is the stage facing etc) to a specific footage.

Often times sound system "failure" results in TO MANY speakers being used-that interfere with each other causing all sorts of clarity problems.

Often times FEWER speakers would actually work better.

But it depends on a bunch of information that you have not provided-so there is no way to know if the system suggested would work or even to provide a suggestion for a system.

DETAILS ARE IMPORTANT.

The minimum details would be-what is the layout of the room and what is the event (in other words-how loud does it need to be)?

Without that you are asking a question like "I want to buy a new car-is red a reliable color-I don't want to have breakdowns"

[carlos hill]

Sorry guys here is more information about the service it's a normal type of church service with specials a worship session using live musicians and several dynamic ministers.  The room is 90' X 80" nearly square we will be facing the 80' portion so the room will be slightly wider than deep.  As far as the preferred provider list there is not one that I know of.

[carlos hill]

Clarity and volume are the two most important factors in this event

[Jonathan Johnson]

Sorry guys here is more information about the service it's a normal type of church service with specials a worship session using live musicians and several dynamic ministers.

What's normal for you might not be what's normal for me. Can you give more details on instruments, how many vocalists, what style of music, how loud it needs to be?

Will the ministers be hiding behind standing at a lectern the whole time, or will they be roaming about the stage? Or roaming about the room?

What other A/V needs will you have: projectors, screens, powerpoint, video? Do the slide/video presentations include audio tracks?

The room is 90' X 80" nearly square we will be facing the 80' portion so the room will be slightly wider than deep.

How will the room be laid out? Rows of chairs auditorium style, or around tables, or something else?

As far as the preferred provider list there is not one that I know of.

Did you ask the venue? Just because they didn't give you a list doesn't mean they don't have one. And even if they don't have one, they probably know who has provided sound there in the past, and who of those did a good job.

Clarity and volume are the two most important factors in this event

That's like saying that color and speed are important factors in choosing a car, without giving desired values. How loud? How clear? Comparing speech to classical music to pop to heavy metal to hip-hop, clarity can be achieved in different ways. Building a system that gives clarity for all styles of audio can get very expensive. Knowing what the source material is like is very important.

Can you link to any online videos showing examples of the musical, worship, and speaking styles you will have at your conference?

[Ivan Beaver]

Sorry guys here is more information about the service it's a normal type of church service with specials a worship session using live musicians and several dynamic ministers.

Around here-there is no "normal type of Church service".

It varies from almost full on rock show with a hundred moving lights-foggers-kick drum worship etc to Churches that call them selves "contemporary" because the bring an acoustic guitar to the service, to traditional with piano and organ to full orchestra and 500 piece choirs.

There is a huge difference in the sound system needs of these types of churches.

Dynamic ministers can also mean very different things.  We have some AA Churches with preachers that scream into the mics and want it so loud that it actually hurts the audience so they can "feel the pain of the message".

Knowing what you are "up against", really helps to get an idea of the sound system needs.

[Scott Holtzman]

Around here-there is no "normal type of Church service".

It varies from almost full on rock show with a hundred moving lights-foggers-kick drum worship etc to Churches that call them selves "contemporary" because the bring an acoustic guitar to the service, to traditional with piano and organ to full orchestra and 500 piece choirs.

There is a huge difference in the sound system needs of these types of churches.

Dynamic ministers can also mean very different things.  We have some AA Churches with preachers that scream into the mics and want it so loud that it actually hurts the audience so they can "feel the pain of the message".

Knowing what you are "up against", really helps to get an idea of the sound system needs.

Folks aren't busting your chops either.  You have to get very granular.  Ivan is right, nothing is normal.  This was my home church in Jacksonville Fl.  The Choir is larger than the congregation of a local church I assist with production here in Cleveland.  Each has it's own challenges technically and resources are quite different.  You work with what you have and remember who your boss is.

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