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Fix it at the source...
« on: November 24, 2014, 04:50:01 PM »

Don't you get tired of people looking for technical solutions to a lack of effort?

"I want a magic device that will make my coffee house gig sound like an arena concert by my favorite metal group."

"How do I use (insert device/technique here) to keep my system from feeding back?"

The cause of the latter in the majority of cases is lack of input at the microphone.  The flip-side of "loudest sound at the mic wins" is, of course "wimpy sound at the mic loses".

Sing/play out or shut up...please.

End of rant...for now.
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Jonathan Johnson

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Re: Fix it at the source...
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2014, 04:59:55 PM »

Sometimes, acoustic sets can be more enjoyable, both for the audience and the band. Sometimes, like magic, the audience quiets down (because it's not so *$%! loud) and everyone goes home without the typical auditory exhaustion.

Ear-splitting SPL isn't always necessary. And without amplification, you have no feedback issues. Of course, having ear-splitting SPL makes it so you can't hear any feedback from the audience, but I digress.

EDIT: Technical solutions for physical problems seldom work. You can't make something that sounds bad at the source sound good at the output -- at least not without greater effort and expense than just fixing the source. Remember a few years back when people were selling magnets for curing everything? I wanted to build a magnetic toilet seat with the promise that it would make your waste smell good. People probably would have bought it. Just remember: garbage in, garbage out.
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Re: Fix it at the source...
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2014, 05:07:42 PM »

I used to research many of the questions asked, or I would answer with an easy to follow explanation w/ step by step instructions. Then it became clear that many, many people ask their questions with doing ANY research at all. So I've become tired of answering the same questions time and again and tend to only answer if the member has done some homework on their own. And the same can be said for people who don't read the thread, or don't do their homework before they answer with a reply that has little or nothing to do with the problem at hand. Rant over.
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Re: Fix it at the source...
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2014, 05:10:49 PM »

And the same can be said for people who don't read the thread, or don't do their homework before they answer with a reply that has little or nothing to do with the problem at hand. Rant over.

I find this in the IT world as well. Google searches for some problem invariably return a thousand responses with the same, incorrect answer cut-and-pasted from another forum without reading all the prior replies that say that very "solution" did not work.
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Re: Fix it at the source...
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2014, 06:16:43 PM »

*snip*
... before they answer with a reply that has little or nothing to do with the problem at hand. Rant over.

So you're telling me that an Audix D6 is the best mic for my kick? Hehe.

Just remember: garbage in, garbage out.

At my gig yesterday, father of one of the band members commented on that we had a great sounding PA (LS9/JBL SRX722/718, 712Ms, XTi2s). I told him it was cos we have awesome techs running it-- a good tech can do a lot with a PA whether it's high quality or not, but a shitty tech, no matter how good of a system, is probably gonna mix like shit.

(Of course, since I was just providing the generator, I calmly took credit for the entire show.  :D )

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Re: Fix it at the source...
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2014, 06:34:31 PM »

"How do I use (insert device/technique here) to keep my system from feeding back?"

Just turn down the "feedback" knob. It's right next to the "suck" knob.
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Re: Fix it at the source...
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2014, 11:53:14 PM »

Just turn down the "feedback" knob. It's right next to the "suck" knob.
I don't see that on this mixing console. What brand console has a feedback knob?  ;D

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Re: Fix it at the source...
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2014, 02:58:57 AM »

At a sound check for a Jools Holland show near me, singer Ruby Turner asked the engineer to turn down the 'suck' control.


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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2014, 10:26:01 AM »

At a sound check for a Jools Holland show near me, singer Ruby Turner asked the engineer to turn down the 'suck' control.


Steve.

Her engineer needs one of these:

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Re: Fix it at the source...
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2014, 10:50:31 AM »

That's excellent.  Do the LEDs go up and down when you turn the knob?


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