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Bob L. Wilson

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Re: System DSP Question
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2014, 11:10:07 AM »

Fundamentally I agree with the OPs initial inclination that the retail price of the latest processors rarely represents a sound value proposition.  I think his and most peoples mistake is proposing to substitute Y for X without understanding/detailing what role X plays in the system. I would argue that there are always substitutes so there is definitely a Y that can replace X whether that Y will ultimately be more cost effective for the church than X depends on many factors that can not be known without more information.

As an aside I find most integrators tend to stick to one or sometimes two brands of system processors to control their own costs related to acquiring/maintaining knowledge of capabilities and programming/setup. Most if pushed will admit there are other brands they believe to be equally capable/reliable but they don't have extensive personal experience with them.
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Re: System DSP Question
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2014, 06:23:17 PM »

As an aside I find most integrators tend to stick to one or sometimes two brands of system processors to control their own costs related to acquiring/maintaining knowledge of capabilities and programming/setup. Most if pushed will admit there are other brands they believe to be equally capable/reliable but they don't have extensive personal experience with them.

This.

And I completely understand.  They have to meet dealer minimums. May have had to attend special training sessions for the more complex systems, have to have multiple service technicians available with proper training if trouble arise. Need to manage and protect clients files, manage and update firmware and software, etc etc etc.

My take is this.  If the design is a "semi-portable" speaker-on-stick rig then a DR PA may be acceptable.  Certainly not my favorite.   If this is for a system that will be mounted, and possibly integrated with other systems now or maybe in the future (for instance a feed to the nursery, a tie in to the kitchen, a panel with a preset for movie night, etc) then there are a million reasons to use the more capable processor.

You would be surprised how complex even the most straight forward church systems can become when you begin discussing variables.

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Re: System DSP Question
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2014, 07:43:02 AM »

Ivan you have far more experience in this area than me, I just feel that the OP should ask whoever wrote the proposal to explain the processor choice.  If they can't then there might be a problem.  As you say the dbx may be sufficient but we would be speculating.  Theoretically the installer should know and be able to talk to their client about it.


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I don't know about the PA 2, but the original driverack PA did not have a GUI or a way to store the settings on a computer.

This can be very important in the event of a failure in which the DSP would need to be replaced.

It is MUCH easier if you can just dump a new file into it, rather than have to write down all the settings and then enter them one at a time by hand.

When I was in the install side of things we kept a file that had all the customers DSP settings in it.  So if something needed to be replaced-it was easy to do.  Plus we could go look at the settings any time.
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Re: System DSP Question
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2014, 02:09:19 PM »

Well, thanks again everyone. I am beginning to see the advantages of the Biamp product. Again, I think that familiarity, in addition to my inherent distrust of sales folk, caused me to favor the DriveRack series. I have read these forums for many years, but never had the opportunity to use it as a direct resource like this. It has been super helpful and now I have gotten over my fear of posting questions here.

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Re: System DSP Question
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2014, 02:51:04 PM »

"The DBX". That is like saying the Ford. Come on, DBX is a brand with many products, even in the system processor space. Heck, there are lots of other brand DSPs comparable to various DBX models. So, work the requirements before discussing the solution.

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Re: System DSP Question
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2014, 03:35:42 PM »

"The DBX". That is like saying the Ford. Come on, DBX is a brand with many products, even in the system processor space.

Actually no, dbx is a brand name.

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Re: System DSP Question
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2014, 04:49:17 PM »

Actually no, dbx is a brand name.

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Oh, lower case is the brand... My bad


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Re: System DSP Question
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2014, 10:42:41 AM »

The Nexia ( and Audia ) are far more flexible and forward thinking. The extra inputs can be used for things you may not consider but might happen in the life of your church. Here is only one:
Use an extra input as a mic pre-amp, hard wired to a dedicated stage plug.  Connect an external control panel or control point to allow the system to be configured as a "single mic - (no-music) pa system requiring no operator, and already EQed for that mic. As far as I know, the Drive Rack does not have the ability to take switch inputs and recall presets, but I've seen plenty of permanent installs where a room goes form one mode to another by rotating a wall mounted switch connected to an Audia or Nexia. As your church grows ( as I hope it does) the Nexia will give you more options and expansion capabilities. I would not hesitate to go that route.

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