Yep. I think VRX/KLA have their place, and even then there are audibly equivalent products for less total investment.OTOH, if clients want to repeatedly give me their money for a particular product, we'll buy it. Having inventory of gear that customers want to have on their events is prudent, even if we don't care for a particular item or model ourselves.If it's the wrong product from the gig, my job is to make the best possible presentation of the shit sandwich the client is paying for. Most days I'm SoundGuy, but sometimes I'm "Chef de le merde."
Well stated.I would argue that the LARGE majority of people who want a "line array" can't even give you a good reason why. Except they want "line array".As if that term (or type of system) is somehow going to magically make it sound better. In most cases-unless used properly (and most people don't have a clue how it work-how it should be used-what the limitations are etc) it will sound worse than a decent "point source" system.They want it because it is "popular" and somehow think that they are all the same.Probably the same mentality that thinks that if you add a compressor or gate or other "toy" to the system-it will somehow be "better".NOT unless used properly-which most are not.Currently line arrays have their place in the market-but I would argue that in probably 99% (give or take just a little) of the cases where they are used-a good point source system would outperform them at a much lower cost.Before you use ANY tool-you have to be sure to use the RIGHT tool.A socket set is a good tool. But in a lot of cases an old fashioned wrench will work better-but not in all cases.The proper tool for the job-but unfortunately most people don't even know what the job really is or what it would take to do it right.They just want to jump on the "popular" wagon.Mark my words. By the end of this decade-you will see less and less line arrays being used and a trend back to good point source systems. Cheaper-easier to use-sound better and so forth.
Really like the website Ray, a nice well thought out inventory. I hope you don't mind if I borrow your fridge in a rack idea. That is simply a brilliant, "high touch" customer centric idea. Very fine work all around.
I am honored. It's more for my crew then it would be for the clients, but I've no problem handing an event organizer a nice, cold bottle of water or soda out of the fridge if they looked parched. Or a pack of smokes, which is funny cos *I* don't smoke, but I have guys who do-- and if we're on day two of a 3-day festival and someone is out of cigarettes, I want to be "that guy" who saves their day!It started as a 16sp (extra deep) amp rack, then I realised a pile of RMX/PLX weighs like 200 pounds. Then it became an EQ rack, and I realised it was too deep for that. I think it spent a day as a cable drawer rack, then last winter I realised the RedBull fridge fit in it perfectly. Get one from your local bar.-Ray
I wanted to add some advice to someone reading this thread, that like me is torn if CC line arrays make sense for their applications or customers.I downloaded Ease_Focus software from the QSC website then the manufacturer data from focus.afmg.eu Modeling coverage is engrossing. The visual representation as you adjust the parameters was an eye opener. Understanding the difference in propagation between a given point source and line array is amazing. You will come away with a much better idea what you are going to get and what you will not!
Nearly any issue worth talking about (there are a few exceptions, of course), is such because there isn't always a clear cut answer for everyone in every situation.Decision making logic for any substantial decision should be roughly as follows:1. Am I a business, or am I a hobby/charitable organization/crazy person? a. If not a business, do whatever the heck you want, because you make all the rules. -> GOTO END b. If a business, will what you are looking into make you more money/save you time or cost/allow you to grow? b1. no -> DON'T BUY IT. GOTO END b2. Yes b2a. Have you done a complete business plan to be sure of this - i.e. financing, depreciation, customer demand, competitive analysis? b2a1. No -> GOTO START and really mean it this time. b2a2. Yes b2a2a. Have you evaluated all other reasonable options and determined that this is the best choice - i.e. allows you to make the most money and/or save the most time? b2a2a1. No -> Look more broadly; GOTO START b2a2a2. Yes b2a2a2a. Does this sound better than all other choices? b2a2a2a1. Yes -> Buy it, you lucky dog. b2a2a2a2. No -> Buy it anyway and remember that you are a business and not shopping for a home stereo.There's a lot of good advice in the thread, as always, though there are some pitfalls on the side of the advice asker as well as the advice giver. People asking for advice frequently have tunnel vision, and/or suffer from at least partial self-deception as to their situation, due to dreams, wishes, lack of knowledge, inexperience, etc. Being willing to at least carefully consider the advice given is a sign of maturity, and will likely lead to success. Coming to the forum for validation of what you already have decided will usually lead to unhappiness - if you're not open to a different answer, you may as well not even ask the question; and you'll either be right, or you'll be able to learn your lesson without public humiliation.People giving advice can occasionally suffer from tunnel vision too - assuming that everyone's situation and goals are the same as theirs. Some things are universally true - Ohm's law, death and taxes, etc. Which speaker system is correct for every person is not universally true.
If I was not open to suggestion I would not be wasting your time. I am sure others don't think the same.If I want validation I will go to my wife/dog/girlfriend etc.The next step is to develop a decision matrix, weight technical vs. business variables. It is worth pointing out that the winner may not be the "best" in what you feel is an important technical parameter. If it makes sense for me to stay a QSC shop then I need to know what kind of dog food they are putting in my bowl.Thanks to everyone.
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