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Chris Eddison

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RCF TT22-a Vs Yamaha DSR112 Vs EV ETX-12P
« on: May 20, 2014, 03:05:21 pm »

I hate doing these "Vs" questions and tend to groan when I see them being posted. However i'm in a bit of a dilemma in that i'm in the market for a pair of powered cabinets, but am not going to be able to listen to all 3 cabinets alongside each other, and the ETX's aren't really readily available to listen to at all yet.

My problem really is that i've been offered the pair of TT22-a's very cheap from a seller who doesn't have the other 2 available to listen to (they're not really an audio company). I could go to one of my other retailers to arrange a shootout but I couldn't do that with a clean conscience knowing that for all their effort in getting the cabinets together, I probably won't end up buying from them.
I'm also all too aware that specs never tell the whole story, so I don't want to pick based on those alone.

I'm replacing an old pair of Mackie cabinets. Normally the TT22-a's would be well out of my price bracket (which is about 800 per cabinet) but this pair are very cheap clearance stock to make way for the newer models. They're more than i'd originally budgeted, but i've always heard great things about these boxes and secretly always wanted a pair! I don't want that to sway my decision though!

I've also heard good things about the DSR's, which seem to be the cheapest of the 3 options. All 3 are comparable in terms of weight, though the RCF is lower powered and has a lower peak SPL (131dB). The DSR and ETX use much higher powered amplifiers, but i'm also all too aware it's not how much you've got but how you use it.

The TT range seem to be a bit of a step up compared to the other ones in terms of the market they're aimed at. There again the DSR and ETX are both at the top of their manufacturers ranges of boxes on sticks.

My work is now mainly theatre. I still do the occasional bit of band work and also some worship. These boxes may also occasionally go out without me to churches and small band gigs (to people that I know, not really dry hire). Powered boxes are still therefore quite useful (though I was tempted by some Nexo PS10's - thoughts Vs these 3 powered boxes?). The ability to fly them is nice, though they'll also end up on sticks. These will make up my main house left and right cabinets, with some Tannoy V12's as delays where needed in larger houses.

I don't want to tie anybody down too much with specific questions, but would ask for some general thoughts on the options i've listed above. Money wise the EV and Yamaha offerings are in a similar ish ballpark. The RCF's are about half again at this offer price (though on paper are significantly more). I'd be willing to take that step up if it was worthwhile. If anybody has heard the EV's then your thoughts would be great, as would those of anybody who's used any or all of the others. Positive and negative comments very gratefully received!!!

Thanks for your time
Chris
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Mike Pyle

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Re: RCF TT22-a Vs Yamaha DSR112 Vs EV ETX-12P
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2014, 03:44:52 pm »

If the TT22As are all original (no replacement drivers or such) and in good working order buy them. They are well worth the price difference you mention.
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Re: RCF TT22-a Vs Yamaha DSR112 Vs EV ETX-12P
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2014, 04:33:02 pm »

+1 to what Mike said.  Quality throughout, rather than lower grade with lots of EQ.

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Re: RCF TT22-a Vs Yamaha DSR112 Vs EV ETX-12P
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2014, 04:34:49 pm »

I can't speak to the RCF's as I haven't had any experience with them.

I do however have considerable experience with with the DR112. If you choose to go this route I don't think you will be disappointed.  Incredibly flat both in magnitude and phase response, more output than I would ever ask of such a speaker, and excellent driver protection. They have been into the limiter lights for hours on end and have yet to loose a driver out of 20 boxes. There is no comparison in this price range that I have heard or used (K, KW, PRX, ELX, etc....)

I have yet to hear the ETX series, but I will be up in Burnsville in a couple of weeks and will hopefully get to then. I'm sure they will be great if they are utilizing their current driver crop and the processing resembles that of what they are doing in the TG7s on the bigger stuff.
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Re: RCF TT22-a Vs Yamaha DSR112 Vs EV ETX-12P
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2014, 07:41:38 pm »

If the company you mention is based in High Wycombe and Leeds, then they also have some RCF ART 712s in stock. Why not audition these against the TT22 and then decide if they are worth the step up (not quite the same as the DSR or ETX, but in a similar price range). If you do, please let us know what you think.
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Re: RCF TT22-a Vs Yamaha DSR112 Vs EV ETX-12P
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2014, 08:01:11 pm »

I've compared the Art 722 to TT25a-  no comparison.  Wood box and premium drivers vs plastic and good for the price drivers.

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Re: RCF TT22-a Vs Yamaha DSR112 Vs EV ETX-12P
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2014, 08:10:19 pm »

+1 to what Mike said.  Quality throughout, rather than lower grade with lots of EQ.

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another +1.

We have a bunch of the TT22as, and I must say they are excellent.  The RCF ART712s are a really nice MI product as are the other boxes you mentioned.  The TT22a are a truly profession speaker using RCFs best components. They have excellent sound quality, go loud, have proper fly points etc etc.  In comparison to the 712 the TT22as will have slightly less bass because of the smaller box size, and a flatter more neutral frequency response. The 712 have a slight LF and HF boost which I suspect make them easier to sell in the MI market.   
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Re: RCF TT22-a Vs Yamaha DSR112 Vs EV ETX-12P
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2014, 04:38:42 am »

That's brilliant. Thanks to all of you for taking the time to respond. It's kind of confirmed my suspicions that the TT's are still the superior cabinets. I'll be taking a listen to them soon (when they get round to returning my emails!) and might take one of my V12's along just to use as a comparison.

I've helped 2 high schools buy powered speakers recently, both opting to go for Yamaha DXR12's, which they all seem happy with. It's this that prompted me to look at the DSR112's.
I've finally found a buyer for my old Mackie SA1521's too. I'll be sad to see them go! Done me a lot of good service over the years and whilst they're not particularly high end, for bands in pubs and clubs I never had any complaints. Just a shame I can't lift them and my work has moved away from regular band work.

Thanks all
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Re: RCF TT22-a Vs Yamaha DSR112 Vs EV ETX-12P
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2014, 12:01:37 pm »

...Normally the TT22-a's would be well out of my price bracket (which is about 800 per cabinet) but this pair are very cheap clearance stock to make way for the newer models. ...

If you can actually buy TT22A's for 800 per cabinet, buy as many as you can and resell them.  The Google street price in the US is around $3,000/cabinet although you may find a slightly better price from some dealer.  800 is about $1350, less than half price.


I'd be leery of 800, it sounds a little too good to be true.  Like Mike said, make sure they have the original drivers in them.

I am a very happy TT22A owner.
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Re: RCF TT22-a Vs Yamaha DSR112 Vs EV ETX-12P
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2014, 12:31:16 pm »

If you can actually buy TT22A's for 800 per cabinet, buy as many as you can and resell them.  The Google street price in the US is around $3,000/cabinet although you may find a slightly better price from some dealer.  800 is about $1350, less than half price.

I think Chris was saying his original budget was 800 per speaker, and that the TT22 on offer are half as much again at 1,200 per speaker (down from their usual price of 2,000).
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