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Timothy O'hara

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Powered Speakers for a Track show
« on: February 09, 2014, 10:39:37 PM »

I have been working with some artist lately that are doing track shows (cd/ipod + 1 microphone) mainly in hotel or small convention spaces with around 400 to 700 people in attendance.  I am currently running a small inexpensive system of 4 JBL JRX subs, 4 matching tops, and a Behringer X32 I hate this speaker system, it is to bulky with the amp racks and all, plus the projection SUCKS. I want to compact down and get better quality.

I want just 4 powered speakers on tripods, that have a smooth projection for 75 to 100 feet, and have "okay" bass response.

Maybe better than average DJ or guitar center type boxes?

Does anyone own and have real world experience with powered speakers in a similar situation as mine that they are happy with?
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Re: Powered Speakers for a Track show
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2014, 10:50:00 PM »

There is a rule on this forum requiring the use of your real name when posting here.  You won't get an answer til you follow that stipulation but beyond that, I have to ask just how seriously you expect anyone to take a question from someone who chooses ' I ate a cat turd " as their forum name?

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Re: Powered Speakers for a Track show
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2014, 10:56:12 PM »

True True.  I'm a newbie to the forums,  I didn't see a real name section when i logged in...  I will look around for the setup or profile menu...
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2014, 11:36:24 PM »

I have been working with some artist lately that are doing track shows (cd/ipod + 1 microphone) mainly in hotel or small convention spaces with around 400 to 700 people in attendance.  I am currently running a small inexpensive system of 4 JBL JRX subs, 4 matching tops, and a Behringer X32 I hate this speaker system, it is to bulky with the amp racks and all, plus the projection SUCKS. I want to compact down and get better quality.

I want just 4 powered speakers on tripods, that have a smooth projection for 75 to 100 feet, and have "okay" bass response.

Maybe better than average DJ or guitar center type boxes?

Does anyone own and have real world experience with powered speakers in a similar situation as mine that they are happy with?
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Re: Powered Speakers for a Track show
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2014, 07:34:00 AM »

Why do you want 4 speakers?

What is your budget?

Do you have a weight limit for the speakers?

Without knowing those "starting questions" there is no way to get a decent answer.
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Re: Powered Speakers for a Track show
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2014, 04:58:01 PM »

I have been working with some artist lately that are doing track shows (cd/ipod + 1 microphone) mainly in hotel or small convention spaces with around 400 to 700 people in attendance.  I am currently running a small inexpensive system of 4 JBL JRX subs, 4 matching tops, and a Behringer X32 I hate this speaker system, it is to bulky with the amp racks and all, plus the projection SUCKS. I want to compact down and get better quality.

I want just 4 powered speakers on tripods, that have a smooth projection for 75 to 100 feet, and have "okay" bass response.

Maybe better than average DJ or guitar center type boxes?


Does anyone own and have real world experience with powered speakers in a similar situation as mine that they are happy with?

Well first of all you are going to get many different answers on what to get. As myself I use Yorkville NX55P. They work great for me with excellent Bass response.  I am in a small band and they do all I want them to do. Lot of folks here love JBL, QSC, etc, but you will have to decide what's best for you

Does anyone own and have real world experience with powered speakers in a similar situation as mine that they are happy with?
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Timothy O'hara

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Re: Powered Speakers for a Track show
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2014, 06:07:45 PM »

Why do you want 4 speakers?

What is your budget?

Do you have a weight limit for the speakers?

Without knowing those "starting questions" there is no way to get a decent answer.

Mainly these track shows are love songs or Broadway type songs, not metal or rap, so I'm thinking I "might" be able to not use subs...

4 "powered" speakers to get rid of the amp racks

budget = I don't know, depend on projection and quality. I am worried that the jbl prx and the qsc K12's wont push through that many people.  they might work, i just don't know (that's why I'm asking)

weight limit - to go on to tripods without ground stacking.

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Re: Powered Speakers for a Track show
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2014, 06:10:32 PM »

Well first of all you are going to get many different answers on what to get. As myself I use Yorkville NX55P. They work great for me with excellent Bass response.  I am in a small band and they do all I want them to do. Lot of folks here love JBL, QSC, etc, but you will have to decide what's best for you

Mr. Brian, do you think there is a quality difference between guitar center line speakers and the Medium priced, more professional grade speakers, "worth the extra money spent"?

I looked up the yorkville NX55p's that you spoke of.  they have 1" comp drivers.  my current speakers have 1" drivers and wont project. 
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2014, 08:12:52 PM »

Mr. Brian, do you think there is a quality difference between guitar center line speakers and the Medium priced, more professional grade speakers, "worth the extra money spent"?

I looked up the yorkville NX55p's that you spoke of.  they have 1" comp drivers.  my current speakers have 1" drivers and wont project.
Well yes and No. Is this your livelihood? If it just a occasional hobby, then why spend a ton of money? If you can get the pro grade, by all means, I am being told the Yamaha powered speakers are very good for the dollar DXR or the DSR series, depending how much you want to spend.
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2014, 08:22:40 PM »

Well yes and No. Is this your livelihood? If it just a occasional hobby, then why spend a ton of money? If you can get the pro grade, by all means, I am being told the Yamaha powered speakers are very good for the dollar DXR or the DSR series, depending how much you want to spend.

I have done production for 25 years, I have 3 large (16 box) SRX system's.  This is for a small client (hince, the X32 and JRX). I'm new to digital consoles and powered speakers.  I should have purchased a different system than this JRX rig. 

I'm looking for good quality. 
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2014, 08:50:28 PM »

What coverage do you need?  If it is 90 degrees or less then 2 speakers will do.

How low do you want to go.  For a quality cabinet on a tripod, you are going to loose some low end if you want to keep it lift able by one person.
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2014, 10:05:07 PM »

What coverage do you need?  If it is 90 degrees or less then 2 speakers will do.

How low do you want to go.  For a quality cabinet on a tripod, you are going to loose some low end if you want to keep it lift able by one person.

I need multipurpose, i chose 4 speakers for coverage and SPL's. What model and brands do you suggest?
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2014, 10:20:54 PM »

I'm subversive...  We have JBL prx cabs, but generally we reserve them for utility/monitor duty (fine for the level act we work with).  For a top?  Danley. 4 sm60fs if you need the coverage or 2 sm96s if you don't. All CAN be stand mounted, but maybe not as easy as a JbL prx.

4 cabs will increase your coverage, but won't really increase your spl unless you overlap coverage at which point, you didn't bring enough rig for the gig and perhaps should consider a dual PA type setup.


The danley isn't cheap but will sound great....  I expect they will far exceed you budget.  I think the powered sm60f is going to be about 2800 a piece street - BUT that's a couple year old number from memory. 


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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2014, 01:32:06 AM »

I'm subversive...  We have JBL prx cabs, but generally we reserve them for utility/monitor duty (fine for the level act we work with).  For a top?  Danley. 4 sm60fs if you need the coverage or 2 sm96s if you don't. All CAN be stand mounted, but maybe not as easy as a JbL prx.

4 cabs will increase your coverage, but won't really increase your spl unless you overlap coverage at which point, you didn't bring enough rig for the gig and perhaps should consider a dual PA type setup.


The danley isn't cheap but will sound great....  I expect they will far exceed you budget.  I think the powered sm60f is going to be about 2800 a piece street - BUT that's a couple year old number from memory.

Thank you,  I will check them out, and maybe arrange a demo.  I have heard very good things about them.
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2014, 08:27:01 AM »

I have 3 large (16 box) SRX system's. 

Why do you need to buy a new (small) rig for this job when you already have SRX available?
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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2014, 09:30:15 AM »

I have been working with some artist lately that are doing track shows (cd/ipod + 1 microphone) mainly in hotel or small convention spaces with around 400 to 700 people in attendance.  I am currently running a small inexpensive system of 4 JBL JRX subs, 4 matching tops, and a Behringer X32 I hate this speaker system, it is to bulky with the amp racks and all, plus the projection SUCKS. I want to compact down and get better quality.

I want just 4 powered speakers on tripods, that have a smooth projection for 75 to 100 feet, and have "okay" bass response.

Maybe better than average DJ or guitar center type boxes?

Does anyone own and have real world experience with powered speakers in a similar situation as mine that they are happy with?


Timothy,
             I know I'm going to get some folks adamantly disagreeing with me on this. And they will swear up and down that their QSC K series, JBL PRX, or Yamaha DSR will do 75-100' with clarity. In my opinion, they simply don't.  Most are good to 30' and the best ones to 50'. Although all of the aforementioned speaker lines are better than the JRX series you currently have, you are going to have to go up the quality/cost ladder quite a bit or adjust your expectations downward.  Good luck!!

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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2014, 10:11:35 AM »


Timothy,
             I know I'm going to get some folks adamantly disagreeing with me on this. And they will swear up and down that their QSC K series, JBL PRX, or Yamaha DSR will do 75-100' with clarity. In my opinion, they simply don't.  Most are good to 30' and the best ones to 50'. Although all of the aforementioned speaker lines are better than the JRX series you currently have, you are going to have to go up the quality/cost ladder quite a bit or adjust your expectations downward.  Good luck!!

JP

This is not a function exclusively of the loudspeaker itself, but a combination of room acoustics (reflections) and small horns combined with direct radiators.

The small horns & direct radiators don't have enough pattern control to effectively keep the audio within the specified coverage area at all frequencies and the reflections of audio off walls, floors and ceilings reduce the Critical Distance, the distance at which the direct energy from the loudspeaker is equal to the energy reflected by the walls, ceiling & floor.
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Re: Powered Speakers for a Track show
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2014, 10:25:09 AM »

This is not a function exclusively of the loudspeaker itself, but a combination of room acoustics (reflections) and small horns combined with direct radiators.

The small horns & direct radiators don't have enough pattern control to effectively keep the audio within the specified coverage area at all frequencies and the reflections of audio off walls, floors and ceilings reduce the Critical Distance, the distance at which the direct energy from the loudspeaker is equal to the energy reflected by the walls, ceiling & floor.

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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2014, 12:56:37 PM »

This is not a function exclusively of the loudspeaker itself, but a combination of room acoustics (reflections) and small horns combined with direct radiators.

The small horns & direct radiators don't have enough pattern control to effectively keep the audio within the specified coverage area at all frequencies and the reflections of audio off walls, floors and ceilings reduce the Critical Distance, the distance at which the direct energy from the loudspeaker is equal to the energy reflected by the walls, ceiling & floor.

Exactly.

And although it is nice to have a speaker (system) capable of clear projection of sound out to 100', if that takes you to the rear wall then you'll be getting nice, clear REFLECTIONS off of it.
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