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Debbie Dunkley

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Re: SM58 fakes....Not so easy to detect?
« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2014, 04:26:36 PM »

If you have a whole bunch of mics that sound and handle the same, and you are convinced that some are genuine, then all are genuine.  It's that simple.
Probably... :)
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Re: SM58 fakes....Not so easy to detect?
« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2014, 05:20:03 PM »

If they look the same and sound the same but aren't really, it's mainly a problem for Shure.

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Re: SM58 fakes....Not so easy to detect?
« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2014, 01:06:50 PM »

It is not completely out of the question for a counterfeit mic to behave reasonably close to the SM58, while most counterfeit sellers probably spend more effort on looking the same and less effort on sounding the same.

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I'm FAR from anything resembling knowledgeable on the subject, but in retrospect (having read this thread) I know (now) that I have bought and sold fake 58's on evilbay.. not intentionally, but some of the better ones are really hard to discern.
Obvious clues are that they are being shipped from China - well duh!!   ding, ding, ding!
But once they are here (in the US) weight, looks, size, internals, sound, etc. match fairly closely. I still have one in my collection and use it regularly as it sounds fine.
At least I think it's a fake.. :-\

I guess my point here is that for the average "lab lounger", unless the mic sounds like doo, has missing parts and works/sounds-as-advertised, I'd be willing to be most don't even know they have a fake ???
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Re: SM58 fakes....Not so easy to detect?
« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2014, 03:08:27 PM »

I'm FAR from anything resembling knowledgeable on the subject, but in retrospect (having read this thread) I know (now) that I have bought and sold fake 58's on evilbay.. not intentionally, but some of the better ones are really hard to discern.
Obvious clues are that they are being shipped from China - well duh!!   ding, ding, ding!
But once they are here (in the US) weight, looks, size, internals, sound, etc. match fairly closely. I still have one in my collection and use it regularly as it sounds fine.
At least I think it's a fake.. :-\

I guess my point here is that for the average "lab lounger", unless the mic sounds like doo, has missing parts and works/sounds-as-advertised, I'd be willing to be most don't even know they have a fake ???

Yeah, well the old maxim, you get what you pay for. If you find a "Screaming deal" on something, well, exercise caution. I bought some "great deal!" Sennheiser wireless off of eBay a few years back. Shipped from China (didn't think about it). Two dual units and one single unit. Model numbers weren't on the Sennheiser site, "Not a problem!" claims the seller. I get them, chinese wall-warts, US AC adapters don't fit in them, frequencies don't match, plenty of signs to show they were counterfeits. Out $1200, cos I didn't see it in time to get the charge back through eBay/PayPal.

They were stolen a couple years later... I wonder what the thief thought when they couldn't use them! :D

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Re: SM58 fakes....Not so easy to detect?
« Reply #44 on: February 02, 2014, 03:29:18 PM »

Yeah, well the old maxim, you get what you pay for. If you find a "Screaming deal" on something, well, exercise caution.
Agreed 1000%... it's not as if the ones I bought were $35 ea either... or a similar "screaming deal".  Been round the dance floor once or twice before.

The 2 in question were priced just below the others listed - not enough to give ya those tingles - and I missed the china shipping part.  It has always been "buyer beware", but sometimes our eagerness gets in the way.
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SM58 fakes....Not so easy to detect?
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2014, 07:15:40 AM »

Having been through this Saga with an SM57 that had slightly different 'print' to its six brothers, I wonder how many have tested the resistance across pin 2 & 3.  With Shure, quite reasonably, not providing a checklist much of the info out there is incomplete/incorrect.

How much time wasted pulling mic cases apart, pulling out XLR connectors, and checking cartridges!?

I have convinced myself my SM57 is fine, like its siblings bought from Authorised Shure agents.

Luckily all the SM58s Beta58A and the beta87A came from authorised Shure dealers.

This MUST harm the resale of used gear!  Lucky I'm a hoarder.

Check the website before buying.
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Re: SM58 fakes....Not so easy to detect?
« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2014, 11:39:36 AM »

We all know wired mics are largely pirated, but does anyone know if the same happens with Shure wireless mics?
I'm searching for a SLX system and I've found a broad price range in ebay. I'm afraid they are pirated as well, any thoughts?
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Re: SM58 fakes....Not so easy to detect?
« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2014, 01:21:01 PM »

We all know wired mics are largely pirated, but does anyone know if the same happens with Shure wireless mics?
I'm searching for a SLX system and I've found a broad price range in ebay. I'm afraid they are pirated as well, any thoughts?
Well, if you heed my story from above:
Yeah, well the old maxim, you get what you pay for. If you find a "Screaming deal" on something, well, exercise caution. I bought some "great deal!" Sennheiser wireless off of eBay a few years back. Shipped from China (didn't think about it). Two dual units and one single unit. Model numbers weren't on the Sennheiser site, "Not a problem!" claims the seller. I get them, chinese wall-warts, US AC adapters don't fit in them, frequencies don't match, plenty of signs to show they were counterfeits. Out $1200, cos I didn't see it in time to get the charge back through eBay/PayPal.
Sennheiser, not Shure, but wireless systems are also commonly counterfeited. I know that the manufacturers aggressively seek out pirates and try to shut them down, but they don't catch anything. First thing to take note is their origin. If it's China or Hong Kong, you may want to be cautious.

If you are looking to purchase new, there are plenty of Shure dealers on here (myself included) that would be happy to get you a great deal on a new system, and then you'd know it's legit.

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Re: SM58 fakes....Not so easy to detect?
« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2014, 01:39:59 PM »

We all know wired mics are largely pirated, but does anyone know if the same happens with Shure wireless mics?
I'm searching for a SLX system and I've found a broad price range in ebay. I'm afraid they are pirated as well, any thoughts?

Counterfeit is the word.  Illegitimate.  Phony.  Those work, also.

And if the super deal on a used set seems suspicious, walk away from it, too.
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Re: SM58 fakes....Not so easy to detect?
« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2014, 03:19:10 PM »

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If you are looking to purchase new, there are plenty of Shure dealers on here (myself included) that would be happy to get you a great deal on a new system, and then you'd know it's legit.

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Actually, I could not yet decide between Sennheiser ew 100 and Shure SLX. Perhaps you can help me? But first, can you ship to Brazil?
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