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Mac Kerr

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Re: Corporate RF
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2014, 08:19:21 AM »

Currently only the two and four channel units have Dante. The singles do not.

With single units it probably doesn't make much sense to use Dante since it is back to 1 cable per device. You lose head amp control when you use Dante and only have digital gain. For some people that is an uncomfortable situation.

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Re: Corporate RF
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2014, 08:21:03 AM »

Mac,
Do you ever work in the Boston area?
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Re: Corporate RF
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2014, 08:26:34 AM »

With single units it probably doesn't make much sense to use Dante since it is back to 1 cable per device. You lose head amp control when you use Dante and only have digital gain. For some people that is an uncomfortable situation.

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I do some TV shows where we have started to use shared gain and receivers with digital out, but the OB guys get really uncomfortable when the vocal tracks in pro-tools do not "look right" gain-wise.
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Re: Corporate RF
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2014, 09:08:43 AM »

With single units it probably doesn't make much sense to use Dante since it is back to 1 cable per device.

Have you got the Dante network set up with separate Primary and Secondary switches with two connections to each quad receiver?
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Re: Corporate RF
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2014, 09:20:16 AM »

Have you got the Dante network set up with separate Primary and Secondary switches with two connections to each quad receiver?

Yes. You can see the 2 switches in the top post. In addition to the 40 ULX-Ds we have a Rio3224 and a Rio 1608. The 1608 is in video for PB and Rec, the 3224 is in RF land for the UHF-Rs and the drive lines. everything is run with a redundant connection.

My earlier post should have said that singles would have 2 cables per device via Dante vs 1 cable with analog.

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Re: Corporate RF
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2014, 09:23:19 AM »

Mac,
Do you ever work in the Boston area?

I work wherever they send me, lately not to Boston.

Mac
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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2014, 10:10:30 AM »

Hey Mac,

There's a show here in Philly spec'd to have around 50 RF mics (down from the original 108) ; I was put on another show, but was hoping to try the ULX-Ds in High Density mode.  It was supposed to be 1-2 TX per breakout room, but I think some of the spaces were small enough to not warrant reinforcement.

Had I been put on that show, I was planning to zone the mics via Workbench since the high density mode drops the RF power.

What do you think of IAS?  It looks quite helpful for the pre-production and setup phases; have you found it lacking?  I haven't tried it out yet.
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Re: Corporate RF
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2014, 10:15:35 AM »

Yes. You can see the 2 switches in the top post. In addition to the 40 ULX-Ds we have a Rio3224 and a Rio 1608. The 1608 is in video for PB and Rec, the 3224 is in RF land for the UHF-Rs and the drive lines. everything is run with a redundant connection.

We ended up buying two different colors of patch cables, for primary vs. secondary. Since you won't get a clear error message from a mixup it's saved a few headaches.
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Re: Corporate RF Coord software
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2014, 10:52:16 AM »

What do you think of IAS?  It looks quite helpful for the pre-production and setup phases; have you found it lacking?  I haven't tried it out yet.

I like IAS, it is what I use. It has been the standard of the industry for a while, and users have confidence in it. That said, I have heard very good things about Wireless Workbench 6. On this show we did the coord with IAS, but are monitoring the RF with WW6. The biggest advantage to WW6 may be the price, it's free. For now, since I already own IAS, and I am used to it and confident in it, I'll be sticking to it.

Both WW6 and IAS can do zones, so you can increase the available frequencies by not doing IM for mics that are never going to cause IM. The software will just look for direct hits in other zones.

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Re: Corporate RF
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2014, 11:23:22 AM »

We ended up buying two different colors of patch cables, for primary vs. secondary. Since you won't get a clear error message from a mixup it's saved a few headaches.

Color coding would be nice, but with a shop the size of PRG sorting the CAT5 cable isn't going to happen. With 10 devices in 1 rack it was pretty easy to make sure it was patched right. In a more spread out system I might be more inclined to insist on color coding, although the long runs are all going to be black.

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