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Ryan O John

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Delaying Snare Top/Bot
« on: January 10, 2014, 10:06:41 PM »

Do you guys do this? delay one mic to the other?


Tell me which you prefer in each pair, and why. 
One in each pair has the top mic delayed to the bottom mic (done on a midas pro2 with a multitrack no eq, no comp, no gate, just a file with delay ON and a file with delay OFF)


http://ryanojohn.com/snare%201-6/snare%201.wav
http://ryanojohn.com/snare%201-6/snare%202.wav


http://ryanojohn.com/snare%201-6/snare%203.wav
http://ryanojohn.com/snare%201-6/snare%204.wav


http://ryanojohn.com/snare%201-6/snare%205.wav
http://ryanojohn.com/snare%201-6/snare%206.wav
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Re: Delaying Snare Top/Bot
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2014, 01:02:45 AM »

I would have to hear it in the mix. Files 2, 4 and 5 all sound more impulsive (aligned?) while 1, 3 and 6 sound softer (unaligned?).

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Re: Delaying Snare Top/Bot
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2014, 05:11:39 AM »

I have never put two microphones on a snare.  In Ye Olden Dayes, we would use an SM57 balanced between snare and hi hat.


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Re: Delaying Snare Top/Bot
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2014, 07:42:28 AM »

I think it is a worthless experiment. The heads are so close together that any delay greater than about half of a millisecond (0.0005 seconds) will simply screw up the phase between top and bottom head which will thin or weaken the sound. You will get a better result if you reverse the phase of one microphone. However, if both mics are not facing each other at proper parallel, (i.e., both perpendicular to the heads,) even that may not give the best results.

My best snare results have come from an overhead sdc mic blended with a close mic on the top head for added attack. Then compress to taste and toss in a short gated-reverb for fatness. ;)
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Re: Delaying Snare Top/Bot
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2014, 08:13:45 AM »

If you want delay then use a good delay. If you want a fuller sound and wish to enhance the sound of the snare itself then top and bottom, with the bottom mic out of phase from the top mic.  Experiment to your hearts desire, but I think in the end you'll find Gordon's statements to be pretty spot on.
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Re: Delaying Snare Top/Bot
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2014, 09:31:12 AM »

Perhaps to get some obscure studio sound, but in general I would not expect any improvement over one well placed mic.

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Re: Delaying Snare Top/Bot
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2014, 09:39:11 AM »

Perhaps to get some obscure studio sound, but in general I would not expect any improvement over one well placed mic.

JR
Yet another of the things that so many people forget.  MIC PLACEMENT!  A well placed mic will work SOOOOO much better than any "fix it in the mix" technique with any eq-gate-comp etc.

But that is a BASIC thing-and "not as cool" as simply doing it right. :(

Using a tool properly works better than trying to "hop it up" later.
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Re: Delaying Snare Top/Bot
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2014, 09:46:28 AM »

Yet another of the things that so many people forget.  MIC PLACEMENT!  A well placed mic will work SOOOOO much better than any "fix it in the mix" technique with any eq-gate-comp etc.

But that is a BASIC thing-and "not as cool" as simply doing it right. :(

Using a tool properly works better than trying to "hop it up" later.

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Re: Delaying Snare Top/Bot
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2014, 12:28:58 PM »

Perhaps to get some obscure studio sound, but in general I would not expect any improvement over one well placed mic.

JR

I am of the "single mic" school also. I also prefer more neutral sounding mics, rather than trying to add together mics that each hype some single aspect of the entire sound.
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Re: Delaying Snare Top/Bot
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2014, 12:33:51 PM »

How was the signal delayed "to" something? I don't even understand exactly what you did. Delayed in reference to what listener?
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