My thoughts?Try discussing it, treating it as a cooperative effort instead of "telling him". If you told me without asking my opinion first, I'd probably give you a strong reaction, too.This is a people problem as much as a technical problem, probably more so.Here's your big chance for personal growth and learning how to build consensus.
We used to have a bass amp on stage, but the bass players were turning it up so high I had to pull the bass out of the mains, and it was still too loud. So finally we ditched the amp and now the bass player stands next to the sub and monitors that way. It's certainly not ideal, but it helped a lot out in the house.
This works fine unless your subs and main are delayed. Then the bass player is always playing behind the beat. Occasionally our worship leader goes out into the congregation area during practice to hear everything. When he does he ends up singing slightly behind the beat due to this.
Wow yeah, I hadn't even considered that. Our sub isn't delayed so this isn't an issue for us.
Every speaker in any system is delayed somewhere. The acoustic distance causes an arrival time offset of about 1ms per foot. When the pastor goes out in the house he is hearing the PA 50ms late if he is 50' from the speakers. The bass player will hear himself in the PA/Subs delayed by the distance he is from each of those speakers.Mac
We made the switch to direct instruments and in ears a little over a year ago. In short, it was completely worth it. It will make your sound-tech's job easier, the FOH will sound better, and (most) of your musicians will grow to love in ears. The key is to have a good sound tech and band members who are willing to try it.Going amp-less for guitars was our biggest gain. Zero stage noise made everything sound better. Convincing the guitarists was a stretch, but sacrificing tone for a better monitor and FOH mix is worth it. The quality and clarity we gained makes the sacrifice in tone seem small. If the guitarist is reluctant to ditch the amp, try out an iso-box or move it off-stage.The bass amp was less of an issue. Because it's mostly low-frequency, removing the bass amp made a much less noticeable difference than the guitar amps. We did remove it, but we do have problems with his monitor - he purchased mid-ranged ears and the lows are not great.We also caged the drum kit. This was our biggest snag. Our drummer ended up using earmuff style noise-cancelling headphones because he hated the caged sound so much. We've since gone to hand percussion mostly (djembe, cajon), but we're looking into an electric or hybrid kit (we're also moving into a new space). I've played a hybrid kit a few times, and my drummer agrees - it's better than playing in a cage. It's definitely not ideal - you loose the feel and ambiance of an acoustic kit. Opinions will vary on this one.
Interesting, what is a "hybrid" kit?Please tell me it's not an electronic kit with real snare and cymbals...
Our place is switching out to in ears. Caging the drums...ect. The problem we were having was too much stage volume with no control. So we are in the process of transition. This last Sunday, bass was a little out of hand. We are all thinking of cutting the bass amp and running through the system. We currently have a B-52 (waiting for upgrade) sub on left center stage, and a 4-10 cab on left side. I am willing to eliminate amp, but my thoughts were to wait until we balanced out other side with another sub. I also talked to the guitar player about his amp. He just about freaked when I told him no amp. So I am looking at ways around it. Thoughts?
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