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[Nick Simon]

The T12 claims 136dB output, which could put it right next to the VerTec 4888, IF the T12 output is listed for the lowest SPL pass band.  JBL shows a peak output of 136-146dB, pass band dependent.  Apples to apples, oranges to oranges?  Can't say without products to compare.

Now my little rant (again) about array design... and I know this might appear a little hypocritical coming from a guy who's got 4 T4 boxes in the air...  But I've dealt with 2 HoW system "designers" that pretty much look at horizontal coverage as a single number (regardless of frequency) and then spec however many elements that will fit in either the available space or available budget, without regard for evenness of vertical coverage.  They need a longer line in the air, they need to segment the arrays for processing, and they or the client needs an independent 3rd party to do a proof of performance.  And to cap off the rant, I'll repeat what Evan K says about "ground stacked line arrays":  they sound like ass (some smell worse than others, but they all smell).  /rant

Make sound, not noize.

I digress....  but ours sounds good to me, wall to wall to wall, and extremely clear.  Don't know much about measurements and such, but I know what sounds good...     "damn amatuers, get outta here.." 

[Jonathan Betts]

I regularly work a 500 capacity ballroom with 2 SRX 728's and 715's stage right/left. Sixty feet from stage I run two delayed 715's, one per side to cover the middle/back of the room. Performance has always been excellent. For the A level rider acts they bring in 3 Meyer HP 700's and 5 Melodies per side, ground stacked. I have yet to hear a decent sounding show with the Meyer rig.

[Tim McCulloch]

I digress....  but ours sounds good to me, wall to wall to wall, and extremely clear.  Don't know much about measurements and such, but I know what sounds good...     "damn amatuers, get outta here.." 

And it might well be that 4 boxes DO cover what needs to be covered.  Most installations for which that is true, however, can be served for less $$ with a conventional flown speaker system.

[Nitin Sidhu]

fair enough
just get ur 135 pound  tops lot higher then the 45 inches please

think of the profit margin if u bought lighter tops and did not have to pay a helper
5-10k a year to help?50-100 gigs 100$ per...u keep the system 5years .....ur spendin more money on help then  on the system possibley

the tech behind the stx line is meh to me
main redeeming factor is its performance manger supported but i could be rong
get itechhd b stock or maby itech ,even if it ment 2ohm for the frist season
best way to get black box settings/killer dsp

Hey Mark!

Thank you for taking the interest. My main opposition to EAW is the absolutely horrible situation of the boxes here.

The 850/760/750/650 all sound crap (again, prolly not EAW's fault). But the total lack of support. AFIK, EAW has not been properly represented in this country for a while.

Next is my issue with the UX8800, and the grey boxes.

I have had every 8800 crap out on me whenever I have used it. It is some voltage issue that causes them to die suddenly, with the front LED in constant Flicker, and a *pat* *pat* *pat* *pat* *pat* sound off the rig. A power cycle cures it, but it is likely to occur again. I once refused to use the 8800 when it was advanced to me. But the vendor assured me that he had all his old units replaced and these ones have never caused an issue. I went with the rig, and the 8800 again killed itself.

Bad karma perhaps. I happen to crash Digicos also all the time. Inspite of the latest greatest firmware being installed.

From what the owners tell me, EAW has refused to acknowledge the issue. Again, not my word.
220v

I also find the tunings on the grey boxes strange. They just don't seem to allow the boxes to open up. It is stupid seeing how soon the limiters on the subs, driving the SB1000 light up. I did verify all amp voltages etc values in the Pilot software. And it all seemed good.
The grey boxes sound good! but I suspect some serious EQ to pretty much kill system capability.

Regarding cost of labour. I am fortunate to say that is not an issue.

I also understand that getting the mid cabinet mounted horns on the STX835 above heads could pose a challenge, but I think that is one that can be reasonably resolved.

I really dig your idea of getting I-techs and running 2ohms for a start.
I also think the HiQnet Performance manger is, sorted. I will look into this.
some absolutely great ideas. And thank you very much!

Also, I am from India, and English for us is a funny language anyways.

Cheers and thank you!
Sidhu

[Nitin Sidhu]

I regularly work a 500 capacity ballroom with 2 SRX 728's and 715's stage right/left. Sixty feet from stage I run two delayed 715's, one per side to cover the middle/back of the room. Performance has always been excellent. For the A level rider acts they bring in 3 Meyer HP 700's and 5 Melodies per side, ground stacked. I have yet to hear a decent sounding show with the Meyer rig.

There is then something wrong with the Meyer rig, or the person running it, or the tallent. I think Meyer do fantastic products. But I have had to learn to run them differently.

Does everyone bring in the Meyer ?

The problem with us JBL ppl here (as in where im from), is that, we really don't know how to use any other sub than the 728.

But now im a lot of beers down! And I would still prefer the 728.

Sidhu

[Jonathan Betts]

 The production company hired for the bigger events brings the system. I have heard this rig in a flown application outdoors and it was excellent.

[Nitin Sidhu]

The production company hired for the bigger events brings the system. I have heard this rig in a flown application outdoors and it was excellent.

Ok.

I understand that a line array in a stack situation is not as great as a line array flown with the
right line length.

I also will say that line array boxes, ground stacked, typically 4 a side, do not make for a bad sounding rig. They are very usable, and will sound great with the right mix of talent, deployment and engineer.

Back to the topic, the reason why we are so lending ourselves towards the STX right now, is cause we do not want to fall short. Within our investment budgets. Even though I am still debating if this could possibly end up being more expensive in the long term.

Sidhu

[Peter Morris]

Ok.

I understand that a line array in a stack situation is not as great as a line array flown with the
right line length.

I also will say that line array boxes, ground stacked, typically 4 a side, do not make for a bad sounding rig. They are very usable, and will sound great with the right mix of talent, deployment and engineer.

Back to the topic, the reason why we are so lending ourselves towards the STX right now, is cause we do not want to fall short. Within our investment budgets. Even though I am still debating if this could possibly end up being more expensive in the long term.

Sidhu

Hi Sidhu,

FWIW I have both the T4s and T12s. We use them for our non – rider work. For what they are the T4s are great. The T12s are great – full stop. 1 x T12 is equivalent to a least 2, may be almost 3 x T4s.

I would suggest that you consider starting with 6 x T12s.  Do a shootout with what you consider is the best box in its class; you will be surprised how well the T12s perform.

You can use anywhere from 2 to 16 boxes a side. I have used T12s to for 150 people, and as many as  5000. It’s very rare that we use any of our old trap boxes these days.

I built some special frames that are stronger than the DVA frames so we can use 2 boxes a side on a stick (note; the supporting pipe goes into a cup on the top of the box, it’s not relying on the 3 small legs) … works perfectly and sound great with even two boxes.

[Peter Morris]

7 per side DVA T12 - VMB TLA220 stands

[Peter Morris]

Top - DVA T12 ground stacked,
Bottom T12 with T4 and V-Dosc with DV-Dosc.