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Riley Casey

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Re: When you need a Dugan....
« Reply #50 on: March 07, 2013, 10:43:39 AM »

If Shure is happy with their approach then this has them in the door to competing directly with Dan on the Yamaha market:  "Models available with Dante™ digital networked audio for multi-channel audio networking over Ethernet"

You mean the next Shure.
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PS: Who knows maybe Shure will finally offer Dugan algorithm as one of their modes.  8)

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Re: When you need a Dugan....
« Reply #51 on: March 04, 2015, 11:40:18 AM »

Resurrecting an old thread..

Just purchased a Yamaha QL1 which includes the Dugan system. Have not played with it yet but was just curious. Say you had a five piece band (rock for argument sake) and put three vocals on the Dugan. Would there be any benefit? Would having the music background have an effect?

Every demo I have seen of it has been simple voice, no singing..

Just curious what to expect and if there would be any reason to use it.
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Re: When you need a Dugan....
« Reply #52 on: March 04, 2015, 12:06:08 PM »

Resurrecting an old thread..

Just purchased a Yamaha QL1 which includes the Dugan system. Have not played with it yet but was just curious. Say you had a five piece band (rock for argument sake) and put three vocals on the Dugan. Would there be any benefit? Would having the music background have an effect?

Every demo I have seen of it has been simple voice, no singing..

Just curious what to expect and if there would be any reason to use it.

The basic Dugan gain sharing algorithm is optimal for dealing with a number of similar talking heads in a conference room, with one person talking at a time. For mixing multiple singers performing music on stage there may be some specific applications (like between a group of backing singers) but generally sharing gain between different lead singers is a different task.

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Re: When you need a Dugan....
« Reply #53 on: March 04, 2015, 12:17:49 PM »

Resurrecting an old thread..

Just purchased a Yamaha QL1 which includes the Dugan system. Have not played with it yet but was just curious. Say you had a five piece band (rock for argument sake) and put three vocals on the Dugan. Would there be any benefit? Would having the music background have an effect?

Every demo I have seen of it has been simple voice, no singing..

Just curious what to expect and if there would be any reason to use it.

Dan's original design was for speaking - panel discussions, conferencing/congressing use.  He never intended it to be used for music mixing.  He later developed an algorithm that was more suited to singers (think: Broadway/West End musicals), but it's not the panacea one might hope it to be).

If you do corporate stuff you'll treasure the Dugan style automixing.  That's what it was designed for and what it does best.
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Re: When you need a Dugan....
« Reply #54 on: March 04, 2015, 12:55:48 PM »

That is what I though but it gives me something to play with. Most of our corporate includes bands so it may not be as valuable as talking heads.
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Re: When you need a Dugan....
« Reply #55 on: March 04, 2015, 05:54:50 PM »

The Dugan automixer that had the music mode used a separate mic input that was for the stage ambiance. Automixers generally get confused with music and will usually make some pretty weird decisions.

I do use automixers for musical theater but just for the dialog parts. 
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Re: When you need a Dugan....
« Reply #56 on: March 05, 2015, 09:46:07 AM »

That is what I though but it gives me something to play with. Most of our corporate includes bands so it may not be as valuable as talking heads.

Steve,
         +1 to Tim's comments.  Here's a couple of tips on using the Dugan auto mixer. Use a post-fader insert, and don't play with the weighting adjustments unless you are confident that the results are what you need. In general, for 95% of the applications for which it was designed adjustments aren't necessary. It just works.


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Re: When you need a Dugan....
« Reply #57 on: March 05, 2015, 12:47:35 PM »

In general, for 95% of the applications for which it was designed adjustments aren't necessary. It just works.


I can see the advertising campaign now: "Our Stuff Just Works." heh.

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Re: When you need a Dugan....
« Reply #58 on: March 05, 2015, 01:07:16 PM »

I can see the advertising campaign now: "Our Stuff Just Works." heh.

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While it probably doesn't need repeating the "Dugan" gain sharing algorithm is elegant. It does "just work" (brilliantly) with a minimum of operator input for appropriate applications.

JR
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Re: When you need a Dugan....
« Reply #59 on: March 05, 2015, 02:32:42 PM »

While it probably doesn't need repeating the "Dugan" gain sharing algorithm is elegant. It does "just work" (brilliantly) with a minimum of operator input for appropriate applications.

JR

Yes, it does.  I have had some situations recently where i was dealing with some bi-directional web feeds where i needed to introduce some delays to make things behave correctly since there was some significant latencies being introduced.  I would have liked to have some attack and decay settings to adjust in those circumstances, but i was able to work around that.  Otherwise yeah, the stock settings work in a surprisingly large number of instances just fine.  One of the few things i've ever used in audio that i could say that about.
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