I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT PEOPLE LIKE ME AS A MEMBER". Groucho Marx1)You don't want the services of any contractor that says they can do this job for $4K. 2)The coverage on the Yorkvilles can't be as bad as the yellow color indicates unless they are: hurt, aimed crazy, or the horns are oriented the wrong way. Get them down, then check, test, repair, redeploy properly, and reevaluate. Given model number and how high off the floor, one can speculate about coverage vs installation angle, but the only way to proceed from those speculations is install, evaluate, iterate.3)No way the coverage on Eons is that green area. If a worse performing major brand active speaker exists than early generations of JBL Eons I have not had the displeasure to hear them. Attach ropes go fishing.4)The people are probably hearing plenty but they can't understand what they are hearing.
The consensus is that the curtains were a great idea, but the original speaker placement was a poor decision.
Anyway, we've been wanting to go to something more professional looking and more permanently seated (strongly considering Yamaha's DSR series. I've A/B's them with their JBL and QSC counterparts and like the Yamaha's myself. I have not heard the EV's, Peavy's or Carvins.)
I was looking at the 1x18" subs and pairing them with the 2x15" mains. I am thinking of stacking them on either side of the stage (where the boxed 'X" is on the diagram.)
As you can see, we play to the middle third of the gym (which is still a decent size area ~30'x60'.) One of the best investments made was the addition of these really thick, floor-to-ceiling curtains that come out on tracks and cut the gym in to thirds. They absorb a massive amount of sound, and really help to deaden what would be a horribly live-sounding room. There's still a bit of natural reverb, but it sounds more like a club than a gym with the curtains in place.
The consensus is that the curtains were a great idea, but the original speaker placement was a poor decision. Here is a diagram of the original speaker placement (above) and the current/modified placement (below):
As you can see in the original design, there were 2 1x15" Yorkville speakers flown above the pulpit pointed at the 3-4th rows. They also flew 2 1x15" Peavy speakers (and ran them on a delay) over the last row of chairs and pointed them at the back wall! Only the people in the 3-4th rows ever said the sound was decent. We got complaints from every other section of the room about being unable to hear anything. Also, there was no subwoofer in the original plan, so someone built us a 2x15" sub out of a wooden box, and set it to the left of the stage. It puts out minimal low end, and no one is really sure of the wattage. When I got there, I made a few changes. First off, I unplugged the "delayed" pair of speakers. We don't use them at all. I also found these 2 1x15" JBL powered speakers on really old-rickety tripods in a closet and put them to use:
I was looking at the 1x18" subs and pairing them with the 2x15" mains.
Yup. You all got real lucky when someone put in the curtains. But are they fire treated/rated ?I also like the Yamaha's. The others may be fine depending on model and how well they cover. Avoid Carvin at all cost.Ground stacked invariably means that it will be too loud in front in order for it to be loud enough in the rear. You should fly whatever you decide on (because it places the speakers more equidistant to the listeners, not to mention that they don't need to be moved, etc) but you must not undertake this on your own. You need a structural engineer and an installer with experience with this. This is a life-safety *and* a liability issue.
Yes, they have been fire-treated. One of the reasons (I should have mentioned) on going with the 215's with the 1x18's is the ability to move them outside. We do an annual outdoor event and have always had to rent a PA for $500. The YAMAHA setup is in hope to move them outdoors and have decent coverage for the stage area, while still maintaining a decent setup indoors. I know this thinking won't make me any friends here, because you want to match the speakers to the venue, but we won't be able to fly anything outside.
One of the reasons (I should have mentioned) on going with the 215's with the 1x18's is the ability to move them outside. We do an annual outdoor event and have always had to rent a PA for $500. The YAMAHA setup is in hope to move them outdoors and have decent coverage for the stage area, while still maintaining a decent setup indoors. I know this thinking won't make me any friends here, because you want to match the speakers to the venue, but we won't be able to fly anything outside.
I see no reason to use 2x15s with a sub. Get a decent pair of 12s to go with the 18 and use the right size amps. Need more? Get more (of the same) cabs...
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