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[Randall Hyde]

I need a delay (stereo) for some delay stacks. I need at least 1 second (will probably use 200-500ms per side). I could just buy a DriveRack 260 and get a bunch of other stuff that I *might* use once in a while; just wonder if there is a better choice.

FWIW, I'm driving some PRX 625 speakers. They're being used for a "movie nite" rig to provide audio for the movies shown on large lawns. Mains stack is PRX 625 plus subs (currently Mpro 415, but will probably be PRX 618s XLR by the time I put in the delay stacks; note that there will not be subs at the delay positions). The main stacks are about 50-75' apart (don't have to worry about comb filtering so much); what I'm really trying to do is get the volume down near the screen but still allow people to hear the movie at 200-250' out.

Unit should be stand-alone. I've got a tiny 4-channel Behringer mixer with a mic and a DVD player plugged into it. In the past this has fed a couple XTi 4000 amps (and Mpro 225/418s speakers). Now it's going to feed a pair of PRX 625/618s XLF plus a couple line 6 transmitters (which feed the delay stacks).

Thanks,
Randy Hyde

[Kirby Yarbrough]

I need a delay (stereo) for some delay stacks. I need at least 1 second (will probably use 200-500ms per side). I could just buy a DriveRack 260 and get a bunch of other stuff that I *might* use once in a while; just wonder if there is a better choice.

A used Rane AD22d will run under $200 and get you 999ms.  A used Peavey VSX26 will get you a little under 700ms, runs $200 - $300 and provides more capabilities for about half what a used Driverack 260 will cost. 

[g'bye, Dick Rees]

A used Rane AD22d will run under $200 and get you 999ms.  A used Peavey VSX26 will get you a little under 700ms, runs $200 - $300 and provides more capabilities for about half what a used Driverack 260 will cost.

This is one of the things I use.  Here is a Buy It Now for one fifty

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rane-Digital-AD22d-Audio-Delay-Rack-/281054710638?pt=US_Signal_Processors_Rack_Effects&hash=item41702a8b6e

[David Parker]

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/behringer-shark-dsp110

[g'bye, Dick Rees]

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/behringer-shark-dsp110

OP specifies stereo.  Also, this is a discontinued item.

[David Parker]

OP specifies stereo.  Also, this is a discontinued item.

they're still available on ebay, use two for stereo, just a thought

[g'bye, Dick Rees]

they're still available on ebay, use two for stereo, just a thought

The Rane piece is an excellent delay, very transparent and accurate with temperature/humidity compensation.

The Shark?  Not so much.  I'll admit my experience with them was in the first generation of the product.  I ended up taking them back.  Not one of Behringers successes.  I presume that's why they're discontinued.

[Bob Leonard]

The Rane piece is an excellent delay, very transparent and accurate with temperature/humidity compensation.

The Shark?  Not so much.  I'll admit my experience with them was in the first generation of the product.  I ended up taking them back.  Not one of Behringers successes.  I presume that's why they're discontinued.

+1 for the Rane. Find one on ebay and you'll never regret buying it.

[Dennis Wiggins]

+1 on the VSX26.  It does long delays well, and is also a handy tool for other crossover thingies.  It will not fail during operation.

No remote control, however.

-Wigs

[Len Zenith Jr]

There is always the Berhringer DCX2496 for ~$350 which has various other DSP capabilities

[Jon Ross]

How about the Klark DN716 delay? I picked one up on eBay for $80 bucks a while back. I haven't used it yet but my intention was to have it if I ever needed delay stacks.

[kristianjohnsen]

I need a delay (stereo) for some delay stacks. I need at least 1 second (will probably use 200-500ms per side). I could just buy a DriveRack 260 and get a bunch of other stuff that I *might* use once in a while; just wonder if there is a better choice.

FWIW, I'm driving some PRX 625 speakers. They're being used for a "movie nite" rig to provide audio for the movies shown on large lawns. Mains stack is PRX 625 plus subs (currently Mpro 415, but will probably be PRX 618s XLR by the time I put in the delay stacks; note that there will not be subs at the delay positions). The main stacks are about 50-75' apart (don't have to worry about comb filtering so much); what I'm really trying to do is get the volume down near the screen but still allow people to hear the movie at 200-250' out.

Unit should be stand-alone. I've got a tiny 4-channel Behringer mixer with a mic and a DVD player plugged into it. In the past this has fed a couple XTi 4000 amps (and Mpro 225/418s speakers). Now it's going to feed a pair of PRX 625/618s XLF plus a couple line 6 transmitters (which feed the delay stacks).

Thanks,
Randy Hyde

I would buy a Yamaha 01v (original, silver front) and use that to replace both the tiny mixer you are using as well as giving you delays and a bunch of other stuff

[Randall Hyde]

I would buy a Yamaha 01v (original, silver front) and use that to replace both the tiny mixer you are using as well as giving you delays and a bunch of other stuff

I see your point from a "get a better mixer" POV, but I've got other digital rigs (SAC-based) for the "real" sound stuff. I just need to provide a mic and DVD-player input for this system. The extra size, weight, and fragility of the Yamaha 01v would be a big negative for this application. A $29 mixer (yeah, that's what it cost) works *fine* for this particular application.

The Rane looks very interesting to me.
I may go ahead and get the DBX DR260 simply because I use three of them as DSPs for the monitors in my "A" rig and having an extra one laying around might be useful if I ever need a temporary expansion to more than six wedges. OTOH, I'd probably use PRX 615 cabinets if I had to go that route (currently, my monitor wedges are bi-amped SRX 712m cabinets).

Nevertheless, the Rane does look interesting and the advantage of *not* using a DR260 for this application is that I'd never be tempted to pull it out of the movie system. And I'm trying real hard to completely separate my rigs so I'm not constantly pulling one piece of gear out of one rig to handle some situation and then having to replace that gear later on (I don't know how many rack screws I've stripped over the years...).
Cheers,
Randy Hyde

[Steve Hurt]

I see your point from a "get a better mixer" POV, but I've got other digital rigs (SAC-based) for the "real" sound stuff. I just need to provide a mic and DVD-player input for this system. The extra size, weight, and fragility of the Yamaha 01v would be a big negative for this application. A $29 mixer (yeah, that's what it cost) works *fine* for this particular application.

The Rane looks very interesting to me.
I may go ahead and get the DBX DR260 simply because I use three of them as DSPs for the monitors in my "A" rig and having an extra one laying around might be useful if I ever need a temporary expansion to more than six wedges. OTOH, I'd probably use PRX 615 cabinets if I had to go that route (currently, my monitor wedges are bi-amped SRX 712m cabinets).

Nevertheless, the Rane does look interesting and the advantage of *not* using a DR260 for this application is that I'd never be tempted to pull it out of the movie system. And I'm trying real hard to completely separate my rigs so I'm not constantly pulling one piece of gear out of one rig to handle some situation and then having to replace that gear later on (I don't know how many rack screws I've stripped over the years...).
Cheers,
Randy Hyde

I bought a used 01v for a backup board.
Only paid $350.  Might be worth looking around!
I'm sure it's more robust than a $29 mixer
And it would eliminate having to carry and patch a separate delay processor.

[Randall Hyde]

I bought a used 01v for a backup board.
Only paid $350.  Might be worth looking around!
I'm sure it's more robust than a $29 mixer
And it would eliminate having to carry and patch a separate delay processor.

Sure, as a mixer.
But I don't have the space for such a device in my movie rig...
Not generally a big fan of Behringer gear; but the little mixer I use in the movie rig is perfect and for this application no one cares about the name. Have had one power supply die on me (the connector broke). It was actually cheaper to buy a new mixer for the power supply than to get the power supply fixed

Cheers,
Randy Hyde

[kristianjohnsen]

... the little mixer I use in the movie rig is perfect

Except that it lacks a feature crucial to the task at hand

[Randall Hyde]

Except that it lacks a feature crucial to the task at hand

Give it up. A Yamaha 0v1 is *completely* inappropriate for this application.
A 1U delay unit would mount just fine in the case I put my DVD player and B* mixer into. The 0v1 *just won't work* no matter how cool and cheap you think the solution might be.
I can't believe I haven't made that clear up to this point. If not, consider this making that point clear.

FWIW, my current rig (pre-PRX cabinets) has a DRPA installed; installing a Rane or DR260 unit will simply replace the unit that is already there.
Cheers,
Randy Hyde

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