Just a small rant for a moment ladies and gents.I am in grad school as a younger fellow in Ohio and tend to go to all the shows I can when I am free from work as a weekend warrior and school. This means dubstep and general electronic music and rap and hip hop offending in particular....For some reason in the past two years there has been a huge emergence of shows now all using line arrays even when not needed.In the past I would see outdoor rock shows with huge trap systems that sounded... fantastic. Tran Siberian orchestra used to use the X array system and that blew my mind. I have seen a few great sounding shows with line arrays such as Muse and Dave Matthews band SO don't get me wrong as both can sound great and both can sound awful!But having seen artists like T-pain and skrillex and sugar ray through 12-16 a side hang of line arrays for a show with ~3,000 people covering an area about 150 wide and 250 deep outside has me wondering what the hell they were thinking?In each of these shows the same damn problems come up.Vocals always sound like distorted shit and bass is just terribly lacking, they usually have 6-8 ground stacked subs a side and for electronic and rap shows.. they always are lacking and I can hear the systems max out and distort bass as well, almost always distorted as if they are maxing the systems out... Never sure if the boxes are out of headroom or the amps or the processing sucks. I try my best to peer at the gear used without getting in anyone's way. Seems like always enough power from the venues provided, enough amp power to power a small stadium and high quality boxes... It boggles my mind that I see smaller trap systems sound louder and clearer with less amp power at shows quite often compared to these de-facto line arrays cropping up everywhere now.It's terribly apparent when the talent goes from singing to trying to speak normally to the crowd while the band plays or when you have a lot of LFE effects in music like synths. It's strange because instruments tend to sound fine by themselves during sound checks I come early for so I doubt the *mix* is at fault, I know that when I run large shows with trap systems I will often use a dual PA setup with 4 50 degree boxes a side stacked with 2 50 degrees boxes on top and 2 on bottom PER side for 100 degrees per side in two levels as my trap boxes cannot handle being maxed out with instruments AND vocals combined through one single box. only one or the other at extremely high levels for outdoor shows.I know the providers are not the same companies per show as I always ask who is providing the gear and the companies are never the same nor the same engineers or venues... this seems to be pretty widespread. Poorly deployed, over driven and ill fitted for the application line array systems.Anyone else seen this crop up a lot in the past few years? Sorry for the rant, as a weekend guy with modest gear it's driving me nuts how bad systems at shows have been sounding lately across the board unless they are A list $60 per ticket or higher acts
So far the main offenders are Vertec hangs and Soundbridge hangs that I have seen driven by Crest and Camco amps respetively
The skrillex concert in particular was lacking in bass
Well there's your answer. Soundbridge is crap, and so is Vertec when not used with iTech's.I would imagine that a large part of your problem is the music genre. EDM, Dubstep, Rap, and Hip Hop are the absolute worst offenders when it comes to overdriven DJ's, and mic-cupping MC's. After that, the budget for PA is typically lower for these events compared to more mainstream music. This invites the anklebiters with their half-assed rigs to come out and play.You said your self that Muse and Dave Matthews sounded fine. They had a bigger budget for PA. And they have more give-a-shit than any rap act I've ever worked with too.I would imagine that they used all the low-end that was available to them at the time. They were not willing to compromise sound quality for volume. That's a good thing.
Really, I-Techs are the secret to VerTec happiness?
Yes. I am loving black-box processing more and more these days. Not only is it reassuring to me when I'm on the road as a band engineer, but also when I'm system-teching. It means there is less for me to screw up, which means shorter set up time, more consistent results, and less stress.
As the system engineer for a VerTec shop, I agree about black box settings. I was under the impression that V4 presets for other processors were also locked...I understand there are VerTec owners out there still using earlier versions of processing because in advancing, we get asked what version we're using. Oy.
I regularly run into places using crossover-du-jour to run Vertecs. It always sounds like crap. People always think they can "do better".
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