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[Scott Bolt]

As David said, it doesn't really matter.  Personally, I would put it on the side that was least encumbered for space.  If you are on a raised stage, and there was room, I would put it in front.

The Yorkville LS801p for $900.00 used is a steal.  These things are really a beast in sound.

I also agree that the KW181 is in the same class as the PRX618S-XLF.... just not as loud as the 801p.

[Joe Gislason]

Thanks for all the help so far.  If I bought a single Yorkville LS801P, where would I place it?  Center of front stage?  If there's no room for it, what the next best place, on one side? Aimed which way?

Would one Yorkville LS801P be better than two of the York ls720p ?

Thanks aging, you guys are confirming and pushing me to get something good.
Jim

I shoot for center stage, but as long as its pointed at the people you should be good.

[Jim Feniello]

Great, so it sounds like a pretty good consensus that the yorkville 801p would be the best use of $1400 for a sub.  And that a single one is just fine to use (for an amateur band/sound guy).  Also that I probably should replace the pr15s soon.  As I mentioned earlier, I have a driverack pa+. Is this a good idea?  Weighing keeping it or using the $400 towards the sub

Thanks again
Jim

[Mark Gensman]

I would replace the PR15 speakers first. Buy a set of used Peavey SP5's or Yamaha SV115's. Huge difference in sound and they can be had pretty inexpensively.

[Scott Bolt]

I agree that if you get a single LS801P you will have the subwoofer part of your PA covered in spades

As for the PR15's, they are what you have now and were not the original topic of this thread.... but moving to that subject, I do agree that this is a weak link in your system.

I have noticed that many here are gear snobs ... including me perhaps.  I usually suggest getting fewer speakers that are better rather than getting more or bigger speakers that are not as good.

If it was me and I had decided to replace my PR15's with the idea of upgrading my system to better quality and more output, here is what I would do:

First, keep the DRPA.  The LS801p does not have a built in cross-over in it like many of the newer model powered subs do.

Next, sell your PR15's and your amplifiers for whatever you can get.

Finally, buy a pair of ART RCF312a speakers.  These don't have cross-overs built in either, but they are a very good sounding speaker that should go well with your single 801p and not break the bank.  These can be had new for $450.00 each.  I place these speakers in the same sound catagory as the PRX612m, QSC KW122, K12, and Yamaha DSR112 and DXR12 which all cost considerably more.  Most of these speakers will go a little louder than a RCF312a, but don't sound any better.  Also, the difference in volume to the more expensive speakers isn't that profound.

A quick scan of eBay looks like you could get ~$120 for your amp, and $160.00 for your speakers leaving you ~$600.00 to raise for your new speakers.

It really would be night and day when you were done.

[Jim Feniello]

Thanks for all the input and advice.  Here's where i'm at now, and would like some confirmation or tweeks to this.  I guess at this point, i'm building a new PA from scratch.

Mixer:  Behringer XENYX X2442USB  (probably the next to be replaced)
Processor:  dbx DriveRack PA+
Mains:  RCF ART 312a
Sub:    Yorkville LS801P  (just one)

Guess i'll need a snake also. 
So the question is, is this a great complete SR setup for a band, for that budget ($3200).  Keep in mind i own the mixer and driverack, so hoping to only spend another $2200-$2400.  I've never heard of RCF, but in researching them, sound pretty good (pardon the pun).  I'm not going to get into monitors yet, that will be my next great idea.

Thanks again, this forum has been very helpful.  I was a little intimidated after reading on here, that all the responses were going to be only buy very high end stuff, but you have steered me away from the junk and into products i can afford.  I'm trying to keep it in perspective that we'll probably only play out a handful of times a year, half of which will probably be free, so it's not a money making proposition, but i would like good gear that will sound good, continue working, and have a resale value (how's that for optimism )

thanks,
-jim

[Tim McCulloch]

Thanks for all the input and advice.  Here's where i'm at now, and would like some confirmation or tweeks to this.  I guess at this point, i'm building a new PA from scratch.

Mixer:  Behringer XENYX X2442USB  (probably the next to be replaced)
Processor:  dbx DriveRack PA+
Mains:  RCF ART 312a
Sub:    Yorkville LS801P  (just one)

Guess i'll need a snake also. 
So the question is, is this a great complete SR setup for a band, for that budget ($3200).  Keep in mind i own the mixer and driverack, so hoping to only spend another $2200-$2400.  I've never heard of RCF, but in researching them, sound pretty good (pardon the pun).  I'm not going to get into monitors yet, that will be my next great idea.

Thanks again, this forum has been very helpful.  I was a little intimidated after reading on here, that all the responses were going to be only buy very high end stuff, but you have steered me away from the junk and into products i can afford.  I'm trying to keep it in perspective that we'll probably only play out a handful of times a year, half of which will probably be free, so it's not a money making proposition, but i would like good gear that will sound good, continue working, and have a resale value (how's that for optimism )

thanks,
-jim

Hi Jim-

There are a couple of things that have evolved over the years and various incarnations of the PSW forums...

1) The wrong piece of gear at the "right" price is still the wrong piece of gear.
2) Buy once, cry once.

What is "right" is dependent on your needs, and often we suggest buying a little above your current needs to give you a leg-up on your *next* round of improvements.

Have fun, good luck.

Tim Mc

[Dave Rickard]

The LS801p does not have a built in cross-over in it like many of the newer model powered subs do.

WHAT? The LS801P includes a crossover!

[Paul G. OBrien]

WHAT? The LS801P includes a crossover!

A "crossover" implies processing that splits a signal into both high pass and low pass outputs. The processing on this box does not do this it only filters the signal going to the sub so external processing is still needed to prevent the mains from running fullrange.

[Dave Rickard]

A "crossover" implies processing that splits a signal into both high pass and low pass outputs. The processing on this box does not do this it only filters the signal going to the sub so external processing is still needed to prevent the mains from running fullrange.

Ah!  I wasn't thinking about HP, just LP.  My bad!