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[Job Houten]

I was going to post something along those lines but deferred.  How can a working knowledge of EQ'ing not be essential to the task of setting up and running a system?  Why not just make up a one page hand-out to go along with the gear: how to use GEQ to ring out your mains/monitors AND how to build a quick, workable mix.

How it can not be essential: it will be used in a single set up with fixed mains, so for the mains it is not needed. As for the monitors, if they don't feedback, there's no need to fix it. That's what I'm thinking, they won't feedback. Maybe they will, and they'll need EQ, I definitely agree. And sure they can be trained for it, but I'm thinking it won't be necessary due to low sound levels. I guess I'll find out.

So now we agree, can we get back to the original question about monitors that fit the needs?

[Steve Garris]

A couple of boxes come to mind:

Already mentioned EV ELX112P
These are priced right and get very good reviews. Look at the owners manual, page 7 shows the floor monitor angle. Because of this I'm considering these as well. I'll be mixing a band this weekend that uses these for mains (with a powered sub), so I'm looking forward to hearing them while running the mix. The negatives for these boxes are that they easily come unplugged, and I have read that they chip/scratch easily and don't hold up well regarding the exterior finish.

Yamaha DSR112
I picked up 2 of these last year. They are really great sounding boxes. I've used one of these as a monitor for 3 gigs, and thus far I have not needed to touch the 31 band EQ they were passing through. Very robust box, locking power cords, and lots of SPL. Much more expensive than the EV's though. 50 degree floor angle with these.

It's too bad the PRX have such a bad floor angle!

EDIT: I just read this interesting post and see Dick posted these below:
http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php?topic=135856.0
Wow - great price on these little boxes. My only concern is the rear facing control panel.

[dick rees]

How it can not be essential: it will be used in a single set up with fixed mains, so for the mains it is not needed. As for the monitors, if they don't feedback, there's no need to fix it. That's what I'm thinking, they won't feedback. Maybe they will, and they'll need EQ, I definitely agree. And sure they can be trained for it, but I'm thinking it won't be necessary due to low sound levels. I guess I'll find out.

So now we agree, can we get back to the original question about monitors that fit the needs?

http://altoproaudio.com/products/sxm112a

They have a pot in the back with over a dozen different contours which will probably suffice in lieu of outboard EQ.  Good sounding, nice 60 conical pattern and small footprint.  Fit and finish are very nice as well and the price is right around $300.  I have a pair which I've been using for a year and a half and they're a nice utility speaker, being pole-mountable as well.

The folks for whom I've used them have been pleasantly surprised at the amount of sound for the size.   Forum member Montez Carter has a dozen of them which have served him well.  PM him for his experience.

[Mike Pyle]

RCF NX10SMA.

[Michael Gorecki]

For me it's either the K series or the Dxr series I've had great results with both series (K10's &12's  DXR 12's & 15's) They both do monitors and FOH no problem.

Michael

[Job Houten]

Thanks for the great suggestions.

As for the coaxial options mentioned, is it recommendable to use these as PA too?

[David Parker]

Hi all,

My first post here, but I've been reading a lot in the past. I'm looking to buy active monitors, and would like to hear your suggestions.

They will be used on a small stage, so low angle ±30º is preferable. Most of the time there'll be vocals, guitar and keys on them, no need for real low or high SPL. I prefer quality over SPL. They will be ran straight out of an A&H WZ 16:2, no EQ or processing as they will also be used by amateur sound guys. This is why I want them to be powered, with good integrated limiting. I need four, of which two will also have to double as a PA in a small 20x20ft room. Budget is tight, around 700EUR (~900$) a piece.

JBL PRX 612M was my best contender, until I discovered it is at an angle of 60 degrees, pointing at your legs on a small stage.

Other options so far are dB F(M) 10/12, QSC K 10/12. Used is also an option, but I'm a bit scared of that, I want them to last long.

Please don't suggest anything you haven't heard

I play bass at my church. We have a couple of cheap monitors with no eq and get by just fine, but we don't run real loud. On Friday and Saturday nights I provide sound for local cover bands in clubs. I have to have EQ for the monitors, or I'd be out of business instantly. I'd never be able to get the volume the bands want without EQ.  The better quality powered monitors such as the  JBL or QSC have processing built in that will make them more resistant to feedback, but you'll still need EQ to get a lot of stage volume.

[Alan R Roberts]

RCF NX10SMA.

Agreed. Best bang-for-the-buck monitor I've bought. They require very little EQ adjustment (ringing out) for most of my gigs, which admittedly are not loud rock bands. Performers continue to rave about them.

[dick rees]

Thanks for the great suggestions.

As for the coaxial options mentioned, is it recommendable to use these as PA too?

You can use them for whatever you want/need.  I use them for SOS PA for acoustic performers or any place that just needs some heightened level and nominal coverage.  Whether they'll work for you for "PA" really depends on how much PA you need, but the easy answer is "yes". 

For the price, I'll say they can't be beat.  You can spend a lot more and get better, but they work very well for my needs and I haven't gotten any complaints. 

But I'm fortunate in being "rock 'n roll free" and don't have to have rip-your-head-off wedges to service deaf guitar players.

[Dave Wightman]

http://altoproaudio.com/products/sxm112a

They have a pot in the back with over a dozen different contours which will probably suffice in lieu of outboard EQ.  Good sounding, nice 60 conical pattern and small footprint.  Fit and finish are very nice as well and the price is right around $300.  I have a pair which I've been using for a year and a half and they're a nice utility speaker, being pole-mountable as well.

The folks for whom I've used them have been pleasantly surprised at the amount of sound for the size.   Forum member Montez Carter has a dozen of them which have served him well.  PM him for his experience.

I have been using these for a few months with some classic rock bar bands and acoustic bands and they have all been impressed by the quality. I actually had 1 guitar player call me over in the middle of the first song just to tell me how nice they sounded. Great volume, great price, and no complaints whatsoever.