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AllenDeneau

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Re: Roland VMix M-400 advice
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2013, 04:03:17 PM »

Here are a few pix of our actual sanctuary. It's a great room but I think it's victim of poor speaker deployment... Maybe I can pitch in to get it even better than it is now.

Just a disclaimer, I am not saying our team or sound is bad, only it can get a little better. Nor do I want to waltz in and say change this, fix that etc..., just want to be prepared as I go along on this journey to be able to help move us forward.

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Re: Roland VMix M-400 advice
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2013, 04:51:22 PM »

Allan the M48s are capable of taking any 16 of anything thats on the reac system thats into B on the console, what appears on the individulal inputs on each pod is set up from the console M48 manager in the monitor section, unfortunately this isn't available from the PC software though it easier to control with the computer connected to the console rather than directly from the console so you'll need to get the console manual and the M48 manual and sit down at the console and check it out, it is a great system and incredibly versatile but kinda hard to explain from 2500 miles away.

The video audio delay is probably processing delay some where in the video system rather than anything else though going from desk to speaker processor to desk to video in isn't helping.

Why the feeds are coming back to the desk I have no idea you can set up a matrix send from the main L/R out and feed the video and audio recorders from there then as you suggested feed the speaker's from the 4800 outs.

As to what the speaker set up is all about I can't say, you'll need to get someone else to have a look if you're not sure yourself.
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Re: Roland VMix M-400 advice
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2013, 02:09:20 AM »

Thanks Gordon, I did read a bit about the M48 manager and it does seem pretty robust. This will be my first go around with the Roland personal monitor system. I've had plenty of experience with the Avioms but I like what I think this system will do. I'm looking forward to getting my hands on the desk to really check it out.

Yeah the video delay is suspect for sure. I haven't really dug around to see what's causing it. Like I said, I just got to hang in the booth the other night for the very first time and tried to take notice of any "odd" things I wanted to keep an eye on when I am finally working on the board.

Yeah, I'm really stumped as to why they would route the signals to the 4800 like they do but even more so is the return back to the board then back out... I can't, for the life of me, figure out why it's like that....

Someday I may just bring a designer in to check out the deployment just for my own knowledge. If you know what to listen for you can certainly hear the issues of the system deployment but like they've told me a number of times, none of them really know much about sound and many times people just don't know what they're hearing or accept any sound as ok sound... If I owned the testing software and was really competent I'd measure the system out to give them a visual of the issues but even then it'd be after i was on the team for a while and gained their trust... For now I just have to take a mental note of the issue and mix around it best I can.
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Re: Roland VMix M-400 advice
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2013, 03:21:56 AM »

Just a word on speaker placement, I can't see where your speakers are in those pics, but your room looks identical to a big church we've got down the road. They fly L'acoustics Arcs cabinets (4 or 5 I think) just above the left and right corners of the stage to get a good horizontal coverage of the room - worth having in the back of your mind. Subs live under the stage, though I suspect they'd be better flown as the sub's the only part of the sound that i'm not overly happy with when i'm there.
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Re: Roland VMix M-400 advice
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2013, 08:05:24 PM »

Alan for the M48s what I ment to say was it can take 16 sub mixes per pod these mixes can be anything from a single channel to a complete band mix per control, there is a mixer and a matrix tick box in the M48 control page which you'll need to learn if you're going to run these properly, one gotcha is make sure any auxes and channels that you're not sending to an input are turned down on each pod's mixer in the control page even if it isn't routed otherwise stray channels are occasionally sent globally to the pod with no control, seems to be a software thing it's no problem as long as you're aware of it. G
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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2013, 01:30:23 PM »

Just a word on speaker placement, I can't see where your speakers are in those pics, but your room looks identical to a big church we've got down the road. They fly L'acoustics Arcs cabinets (4 or 5 I think) just above the left and right corners of the stage to get a good horizontal coverage of the room - worth having in the back of your mind. Subs live under the stage, though I suspect they'd be better flown as the sub's the only part of the sound that i'm not overly happy with when i'm there.

Thanks Chris. I'm newly joining the sound team but if I have any say over changes made from here on out I'll certainly be recommending a change in speaker deployment and to bring in a specialist for the best placement. Arrays in L C R would be ideal I believe but we have what we have for now.
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Re: Roland VMix M-400 advice
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2013, 01:31:46 PM »

Alan for the M48s what I ment to say was it can take 16 sub mixes per pod these mixes can be anything from a single channel to a complete band mix per control, there is a mixer and a matrix tick box in the M48 control page which you'll need to learn if you're going to run these properly, one gotcha is make sure any auxes and channels that you're not sending to an input are turned down on each pod's mixer in the control page even if it isn't routed otherwise stray channels are occasionally sent globally to the pod with no control, seems to be a software thing it's no problem as long as you're aware of it. G

Thanks Gordon, I read about the M48 control page but haven't had any hands on time with the board yet but I'll certainly be interested in the monitoring routing they have set up. Thanks for the info.
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