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Daniel Nickleski

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Re: Underheads/Overheads, other mic technique for cymbals
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2013, 08:19:37 PM »

I'll second what Evan said. For All Time Low this setup has worked great for us. It has also worked great for ever other band I have worked for. Less clutter on stage and a much cleaner look.
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Re: Underheads/Overheads, other mic technique for cymbals
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2013, 08:32:55 PM »

I'm all about less clutter, and LP claws for my full kit have been the solution. Close micing everything, and underheads on the cymbals. It works well and sounds good to me. Granted, my drummer beats the shit out of everything so I don't lose any brightness or attack with the underheads...

Evan

I have heard of issues with the LP claws being easy to tear up the drums.  Has this been an issue for you?  Been considering buying at least a couple myself for things like djembe/congas.  A couple times with a group of percussionists the stage has turned into a bit of a mic stand forest because the Shure PG mic mounts (if you can even call them that) can't attach and even if they could they are not compatible with the screws on standard Shure mic clips.  Djembe Top/Bottom, Conga, and Cajon Front/Port all miced using standard vocal boom stands is one of the ugliest things I have ever seen.

Thinking the lpclaw or one of the K&M dual mic mounts could be useful for me at least for getting hihat and possibly snare on space limited stages even if I don't do underheads.

On that kit is that 4 underheads + hihat?

I would be a bit worried about brightness/attack on the hihat because of the bottom cymbal but how drastic of a difference is there with the others?  Is it something that can be compensated for using a bit of eq?

On a completely unrelated note, is the thin wire coming from the kick mic area a wire for an internal kick mic?  Always wondered about how to consistently get that to work without interfering with the other mic or the drum head.
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Re: Underheads/Overheads, other mic technique for cymbals
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2013, 10:20:29 PM »

I have heard of issues with the LP claws being easy to tear up the drums.  Has this been an issue for you?  Been considering buying at least a couple myself for things like djembe/congas.  A couple times with a group of percussionists the stage has turned into a bit of a mic stand forest because the Shure PG mic mounts (if you can even call them that) can't attach and even if they could they are not compatible with the screws on standard Shure mic clips.  Djembe Top/Bottom, Conga, and Cajon Front/Port all miced using standard vocal boom stands is one of the ugliest things I have ever seen.

Thinking the lpclaw or one of the K&M dual mic mounts could be useful for me at least for getting hihat and possibly snare on space limited stages even if I don't do underheads.

On that kit is that 4 underheads + hihat?

I would be a bit worried about brightness/attack on the hihat because of the bottom cymbal but how drastic of a difference is there with the others?  Is it something that can be compensated for using a bit of eq?

On a completely unrelated note, is the thin wire coming from the kick mic area a wire for an internal kick mic?  Always wondered about how to consistently get that to work without interfering with the other mic or the drum head.

Never had an issue with them tearing up the drums. Granted, I always clamp to the drum hardware, not the actual drum. I found that clamping to the hoops would detune the drum with the weight of the claw and mic.

I've got L C R OH's, ride and Hat. Never had an issue with anything sounding dull. Here's a sample board recording that I've got:

http://harfordsound.com/Do%20you%20want%20me%20deadd.mp3

The thin wire coming out of the drum is from my SM91. Cable sits on top of the D6. Never have an issue with the drum tearing up the cable with it sitting on top of the D6.


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Re: Underheads/Overheads, other mic technique for cymbals
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2013, 10:39:39 PM »

The LP Claw continues to be one of my more favorite pieces of versatile mic mounting hardware.  Our regular drummer uses Tama Starclassics with the suspension mounting, and the LP grabs the suspension bar good, and will usually clamp well to drum hardware one way or another.  I do not like mounting directly on the drum rim, I always ask permission if I'm doing sound for and the drummer doesn't have suspended toms.  Some guys are touchy about clamping to their drums.
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