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[eric lenasbunt]

I had a very bad experience with thermal failures on the ELX112p.  Warranty repaired and then acting up again.
  I would also say investing in some AC/signal cable combo runs makes a giant difference. Then you just run a single line from each powered speaker like you would passive. I bought Elite Core, as they are in my budget. So far they have held up fine.
 It was one of those purchases that make you kick yourself for not doing it months ago.

[Tim McCulloch]

I had a very bad experience with thermal failures on the ELX112p.  Warranty repaired and then acting up again.
  I would also say investing in some AC/signal cable combo runs makes a giant difference. Then you just run a single line from each powered speaker like you would passive. I bought Elite Core, as they are in my budget. So far they have held up fine.
 It was one of those purchases that make you kick yourself for not doing it months ago.

We had an act come through that had a very elegant (and probably expensive) way to deal with signal and power for their monitor rig.  The had a rack mount box that had signal input on a CPC (up to 12 mixes) and power on L21-30.  There were 12 PowerCon outlets, each with a 15 amp pushbutton circuit breaker and above those were XLR-M.  They used the "siamese" cables with power & signal.  One big power cord into the box and a CPC from the monitor desk outputs.  Save time and the big mess that can build up when the power & signal cables need to reach different places.

I realize that this may not be a direct solution for many Lounge participants, but hopefully it will give some impetus to other creative solutions for these needs.

[Scott Wagner]

I am surprised to hear about the heat on the ELX's as well.  The PRX's also appear to have the same design (ie get hot even when idle).

Disclaimer: I have exactly ZERO experience with ELX.

That said, I've run my PRX6xx in direct sunlight, ambient temp over 105F, all day long on many occassions with exactly zero issues.  They do get hot at idle, but they don't appear to get any hotter when driven hard, either.  Ensure adequate airflow (ie: don't stuff them in corners, etc), and they should be fine.  I do carry extra fans (just in case), but have yet to deploy them on anything but the talent.

[Steve Garris]

I'm looking forward to hear how the 112P's work as monitor wedges. I looked at the manual and was very happy to see a steep 60 deg tilt up on the wedge, which is badly needed on small stages.

[Steve Kas]

I'm using 4 x 112Ps and 2 LS 801Ps at FOH and 4x 112P's on the deck this weekend at an indoor wedding band event in Dallas. I chose our X32 for this event. If it performs well, it may take the place of our XL3/drive-efx racks for wedding FOH. Pre's sound ok in phones and onboard eq, dynamics, and efx appear adequate. We'll see how she performs this weekend.

Thanks for the posts regarding AC and signal cable issues. I am running 2 x quads to house L and R. 3 x quads downstage (wedges, downstage artist toys, etc..) off 1 feed and the same upstage for backline. House is providing a compliment of 5 x 110V/20 amp circuits. Hopefully, we will be ok. I strongly considered carrying a 200 A  distro, but budget won't allpw. Yorkville specs LS-801P at 2500 W/ per box. EV specs ELX 112P at 1000 W/ per box. My math tells me-

4 x112P= 4000 W
2 x LS-801= 5000 W
That's 9K on the house and another 4K + (add backline)

13K W=  118 amps (6 x 20 amp circuits). assuming I get 110V from the house.

Pssisive FOH with my trusted feeder and distro might be sounding good after this event. We'll see. I'm praying for low stage volume and lots of Sinatra! Oh, stage lighting is ALL LED! Whew!!lol

I'll let y'all know how it goes.

[Mark Gensman]

I like having the ability to mix and match speakers to the gig. I invested in power amps and now only take what I need to the gig.

I have heard some great sounding active systems, but since I already owned the power amps, I just add or change passive speakers as necessary. Keeping the amps in the shade during outdoor gigs when it's hot saves me from failures and I don't have to run power all over the place. 

[Brett Gilbert]

I like having the ability to mix and match speakers to the gig. I invested in power amps and now only take what I need to the gig.

I have heard some great sounding active systems, but since I already owned the power amps, I just add or change passive speakers as necessary. Keeping the amps in the shade during outdoor gigs when it's hot saves me from failures and I don't have to run power all over the place.

Very true and if you need to add a speaker it's a peice of cake.  I do a show regularly at a local bar and they have a patio with garage doors.  When I know the weather is nice and they're going to open the overheards I bring an extra speaker and stand and jumper from the speaker on the other side of the wall. I don't have to bring another power cable, audio cable, and buy a more expensive powered speaker for occasional use.

But everyone's needs are different, that's just one facet of how going passive can be a small benefit.

I think the biggest question is the users, are they technically savy or not, if not go the powered route, if they are, go the passive route. Just my $.02

[Steve Kas]

Sorry for the late reply. NYE and Christmas shows - well most of you know!!

I was 119 dbSPL @ 100' from the deck, 800+ people, and ran 8 EV ELX112P's (4 FOH) with 2 Yorky LS-801P's on 3 x 110V/20A (my rider requested 6!!) . No problema and my client was happy!  EV ELX-112P's and Yorkville LS-801P's were screaming, "GIVE ME MORE"!!! My pants were shaking at FOH! Albeit, FOH world was at the back of the small venue.  Best "club"  rig I've mixed on since EAW KF-650/ EV MTL-2 or EAW SB-850/1000 w/ Crest 8001/7001.

I mixed the wedding band on my IPAD/ Behringer X32 with no FOH snake runs! We used our 4G for interface because the venue's "WIFI" was clearly busy.

I dropped 2 x 12 channel snakes up and downstage. with a compliment of 3 x AC quads up and down stage, and guitar world (9 total).

Gig log (2 man crew):

90 minutes in (hotel dock) - including 24 LED can rigging/ 2 vertical truss and network interface for our Behringer X32

30 min mic/DI/ backline, etc.. in- (1 half filled 12' trailer!   NO MERCH!! Just drums, amps, guitars (only 3?), 2 keyboards, stands, and music stands/facades. They were thrilled that me and my crew (1 guy) loaded them in!!

Free booze and food and a 78 minute load out from the band's "Goodnight" schpeeel!!

Compare to NYE at a national venue. House PA/Lights was provided. Band carried 1x 14' trailer of merch, guitars, amps, etc.. 2 1/2  hr in and 2 hour out with 3-6  guys!!!!Touring guys know what I'm talking about. 

I know the last paragragh was a different topic, but still the same point of this thread.

Powereed (active) speakers are fine for the majority of a local <1000 person audio company INDOORS. We'll take her out in the summer with 2 more LS-801P's and 2x more EV ELX-112Ps  and see....imho

This rig is not rider friendly...  But, if your market is local band, etc...  this is a cheap and profittable alternative. Though, the LS-801P's are heavy and the EV ELX112Ps scratch easlily (but they are LIGHT!!!    )

I'll send pics of my cable runs soon. I am refining them . I'm using Pro-CO AC/XLR  runs now. But, I am working on a better SL, SR, and downstage monitor run. But again, not on this thread's topic.

Sorry for the rant!!

Side note:  YOU TUBE AUDIO GUYS- PLEASE STOP SAYING. "KEEP PRACTICING!"   
 

[Steve Garris]

Thanks for the update. That's a quick load-in, load out!  Did the EV's work well as monitors? Did you have any difficulty keeping the power cables plugged in while running them as wedges?

[Steve Kas]

No issues with power cables in the ELX 112Ps on the deck. They sound fine as wedges. No complaints from the artist. I ran 4 off 1 20 amp circuit with no problem. However, only voxs and horns. These aren't high end wedges (micro, etc..), but the do the trick if you are on a budget. Like I said before, they scratch really easy. CHEAP CHEAP wood used for this enclosure. But they are ridiculously light. BUY COVERS!

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