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John Woodfield

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TOA HX5?
« on: November 27, 2012, 10:45:33 pm »

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Re: TOA HX5?
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2012, 10:57:26 pm »

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Re: TOA HX5?
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2012, 12:28:14 am »

Application?
Expectations?

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Re: TOA HX5?
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2012, 03:08:37 am »

Junk?

Depending on it's intended use it's a decent piece of gear. We installed a single HX5 and 2 of their 12" subs at my last Church and it took very little eq to get it sounding good.

The HX5 can not be externally bi-amped to create a tri-amp system with subs and it won't rip your head off with SPL but it's a clean and fairly versatile speaker.

It may get louder than I expected with more than a single HX5 but the subs are good for mid bass alone. We only had that system up for a little over a month before I left that Church. If I would've stayed, I'd have added another HX5 for a L/R hang and added another pair of their subs to be flown with the HX5's as mid bass and used a 3 way x-over.

The online version of EASE of TOA's site leads you to believe you can pad down each "box" in the HX5 individually for better pattern coverage but you can't. It's a single NL4 input to the internal x-over to supply power to each "box" in the speaker. There's also a thru NL4 for jumping to another HX5 in the hang.

It's limited in it's splay angles but it can be flown either vertically or horizontally to get the coverage you need. it "acts" like a line array in a way and ss you tighten up it's angles it the beam becomes more focused vertically and you start to lose a bit of outside coverage but not a ton. For our use, we needed to go vertical and when we got the best overall coverage we had holes in coverage in the very front corners of each side. Wasn't a worry for us as nobody sat there anyway.

All my processing was handled by the Peavey FX32 we already had at the Church. I used it in subwoofer mode and split the signal right at the board. I used the boards x-over, PEQ and limiters and then ran out to the amp. The HX5 and the 2 subs were run from a single QSC GX7. it was clean and plenty loud for the congregation and type of service they have. Their worship service was a piano, keyboard, electric guitar and @ 10 vocalists. If we would've had a full worship band, I'd have wanted at least another HX5, another amp and subs. I would've then had a L/R hang with a 12" sub flown with each HX5 for mid bass for a bit better warmth.

The person who set up the sound originally is on the Church board and when they finally addressed the coverage issue, they decided they wanted new and my predecessor asked me to look into this system. I used the tools they had online and talked to their engineer and rep and came to the conclusion it's gonna be a pretty good fit, and it really was..

Overall I was really impressed with it's natural sound. Didn't take long to get dialed in and was clean. I would love to hear a system with multiple HX5s and a real sub system to see what it does.. I have contemplated buying a couple pairs of the HX5s for my company and trying them on various events to see how they sound..

Hope that helps..
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Re: TOA HX5?
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2012, 08:27:25 am »

Thanks, so they would be an improvement over the Bose 802 III?
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Re: TOA HX5?
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2012, 09:14:36 am »

Not for home stereo where the Bose belong.
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Re: TOA HX5?
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2012, 10:17:35 am »

Thanks, so they would be an improvement over the Bose 802 III?

Ha ha Bob, I agree.

John, I'm by far the expert in system design but again depending on it's application I say yes. But then again, I've never really been a Bose fan...

What are you doing with your system now? Is this a portable system or a fixed installation? Inside or outside venues... Tell us more about what you are needing and what you have now for a better answer.

In short, yes I believe they sound a LOT better than the Bose 802's. Will they be the right choice for you, can't say....

Hope that helps
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Re: TOA HX5?
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2012, 12:57:16 pm »

Ha ha Bob, I agree.

John, I'm by far the expert in system design but again depending on it's application I say yes. But then again, I've never really been a Bose fan...

What are you doing with your system now? Is this a portable system or a fixed installation? Inside or outside venues... Tell us more about what you are needing and what you have now for a better answer.

In short, yes I believe they sound a LOT better than the Bose 802's. Will they be the right choice for you, can't say....

Hope that helps

House of worship, seats 425 two bose 802 III stacked in the center flown paired with some 18" subs on the floor.
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Re: TOA HX5?
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2012, 03:29:21 pm »

House of worship, seats 425 two bose 802 III stacked in the center flown paired with some 18" subs on the floor.

I'm certainly not an integrator nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn  Express last night nor do I play one on TV so please take my experience with them as it is, a short term experience..

While I do believe they sound better, cleaner and smoother than the 802's they may be a sllight step up or a slight step down or sideways depending on your situation.

425 is a decent crowd, not big but certainly not small like my past Church of 60 attendees.. What is your worship service like? Full band? Partial? etc....

I'd guess that you're not looking for 105dB at 80' back with multiple guitars and stacks type of sound with what your current system is but I'm only guessing.

Your room size and layout along with the type of worship service will dictate if the HX5 is the best fit. For my previous Church, it was a great fit.

What's the reason for the upgrade?

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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2012, 08:45:10 pm »

I'm certainly not an integrator nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn  Express last night nor do I play one on TV so please take my experience with them as it is, a short term experience..

While I do believe they sound better, cleaner and smoother than the 802's they may be a sllight step up or a slight step down or sideways depending on your situation.

425 is a decent crowd, not big but certainly not small like my past Church of 60 attendees.. What is your worship service like? Full band? Partial? etc....

I'd guess that you're not looking for 105dB at 80' back with multiple guitars and stacks type of sound with what your current system is but I'm only guessing.

Your room size and layout along with the type of worship service will dictate if the HX5 is the best fit. For my previous Church, it was a great fit.

What's the reason for the upgrade?

The short throw of the 802's has been my main issue. If I run program levels at 92db I get multiple complaints. I try to stay around the 88-90 area at max. I also have some dead spots on the edges with the 802's that it appears I could overcome. If I set each speaker to be at 45 degrees I will have a full 180 degrees of coverage opposed to the 120 degree the 802's give me.

My main complaint with the 802's beyond the throw is the highs seem quite harsh. 5k-8k is no mans land on those boxes.

So longer throw, smoother response, better coverage would be the objectives.

In my mind, it is surprising to me that I can maintain the level to where the 802's are too loud so I don't expect much issue in that regard.
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