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Michael Gorecki

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Re: New Snake - Reel or No Reel
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2012, 03:02:36 pm »

I've been going through this same dilemma recently. After talking with a few guys at RapcoHorizon and at Whirlwind they don't recommend anything over 42 pairs going any further than 180' and even that they say pushes the weight limits of the reel. I haven't heard of anybody actually breaking a reel but there is only one arm that holds the weight on most reels and if that bends then I can see it being a big hassle. I don't have any problem with rolling up a 200' snake into a box. It will always fit in the box and I never have to worry about the reel. If you're worried about your ends dragging around get a W4 or Pro58 mass connector for your fan out.
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Re: New Snake - Reel or No Reel
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2012, 05:22:22 pm »

I've been going through this same dilemma recently. After talking with a few guys at RapcoHorizon and at Whirlwind they don't recommend anything over 42 pairs going any further than 180' and even that they say pushes the weight limits of the reel. I haven't heard of anybody actually breaking a reel but there is only one arm that holds the weight on most reels and if that bends then I can see it being a big hassle. I don't have any problem with rolling up a 200' snake into a box. It will always fit in the box and I never have to worry about the reel. If you're worried about your ends dragging around get a W4 or Pro58 mass connector for your fan out.

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i was gonna say that anything larger than 40 pairs and/or 150' is not a good idea on a reel.  i've seen it done.  it wasn't pretty.  The day we got rid of the old custom 46-pair 250' reel snake at the sound company where i worked was a day of great jubilation.

frankly, i'd make the cutoff even smaller, but that's because i spent a lot of time wrapping 250' 56-pair snakes bundled with a 16-pair return and power, so i'm very comfortable coiling large cables into cases and actually prefer it.  still, i'd say a reel should be fine for the OP's application...
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Why I Hate Snakes On Reels:
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2012, 07:32:12 pm »

So I need to buy a new snake, I'm starting to do more and more outdoor gigs now and I'm sick of borrowing / cross renting.

I need to get a 32 x 8 and I've seen some here locally that come on a reel. Do these work in real life, or are they a pain?
I'm wondering whether the cable ever runs onto the drum properly and does the snake end up with an evil twist to it?

Do they ever spin when everything is plugged in at the stage end and make a twisted mess?

These are the ones I'm thinking about http://www.swamp.net.au/multicore-on-reel-32-Channel.html

Mark

I find snake reels to be more attractive in theory than in practice.

1. They make wrapping the snake a two-man job. No, it's not impossible to reel in a snake by yourself, It's just more difficult than when it's not on a reel.

3. They cost money. Why on earth would anyone spend money on something that makes the job more difficult?

7. They add weight. I am not a fan of weight when it's not needed. Of course, that's never stopped me from stopping for ice cream.

11. They take up space. On smallish stages, they can be absolutely unruly.

19. They break. After a while, when the rollers and bearings fall apart and/or get gummed up, what was a simple one-man job becomes a living hell for at least two people.

My advice would be to get a rolling 24"x30" case with two slots cut out of it on opposite sides, where the bottom section meets the lid. The slots make it so you can close the case lid while storing the excess snake length. Make the slots twice the cable diameter, so you can fit both snake ends through the same hole.

At FOH, this makes a dandy stand for an FX rack a laptop computer, or even your mixer.

P.S.

Every show that I have ever done with a genuine Big Boy Varsity Sound Company, I have never seen a reel snake in use.

I suppose there is a reason for that, since I just know that those guys are aware that snake reels exist.
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Re: Why I Hate Snakes On Reels:
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2012, 09:26:31 pm »



Every show that I have ever done with a genuine Big Boy Varsity Sound Company, I have never seen a reel snake in use.

I suppose there is a reason for that, since I just know that those guys are aware that snake reels exist.

I didn't say this but...  Yeah.  This.
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Re: New Snake - Reel or No Reel
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2012, 11:24:22 pm »

I would never buy anything but a reel snake.
Been using a EWI one for around 5+ years now, no issues at all.

Same here. No issues.  For local shows/bands useage, it is great, and saves time.
« Last Edit: September 11, 2012, 11:26:26 pm by Rob Dellwood »
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Re: Why I Hate Snakes On Reels:
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2012, 01:45:46 am »

I didn't say this but...  Yeah.  This.

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New Snake - Reel or No Reel
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2012, 04:41:18 am »

Thanks guys. So far it's 8 vs 6 in favour of a reel. I agree that for the really big snakes I couldn't see it work, but I think at my size it will be worth it.

I wish that I could get all the EWI stuff here in Aus, it appears that our only importer only brings in the single cables, no snakes and no cases, which is kind of unfortunate as they seem like really good products at a very reasonable price.

Thanks guys .. I think I'll go ahead with a reel.

Mark
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