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[Matt Merritt]

Hello.  I will soon be in possession of six Danley SH-46's and six TH-118's.    I can see four different configurations for my use (at this time, always stacked). 
--Two tops with two subs.
--Two tops with three subs.
--Three tops with three subs.
--Three tops with two subs.

Two subjects here:

First, what are the advantages of using the Danley processor over the ones I already have (Ashly and EV)?  I cannot find a user guide or manual on the Danley web site.  Where can I find the settings to use for the Danley speakers on a non-Danley processor?  Will the settings be different based on the configuration I use (as listed above)?  For example, I have heard that the SH-46's were designed so that two of them arrayed together have a pretty much flat response.  When a third is added, are any adjustments to the processor needed?  Does the Danley processor contain presets for the SH-46's and the TH-118's?  Does it have presets based on how many of each are used in a stack or array?

Second, regarding amplifiers.  I currently have some PL380's (2500wpc at 4 ohms), PL3.4's (3400w bridged at 4 ohms), and PLX2402's (2400w bridged at 4 ohms).  I was thinking of using the PL380's for the SH-46's, one speaker per channel, then use the PL3.4's for the TH-118's, one speaker per amp, bridged.  Spec-wise that looks like the best idea to me, in order to match up to the respective Danley speakers.  Does that seem reasonable?

Thanks for your help!

[Ivan Beaver]

Hello.  I will soon be in possession of six Danley SH-46's and six TH-118's.    I can see four different configurations for my use (at this time, always stacked). 
--Two tops with two subs.
--Two tops with three subs.
--Three tops with three subs.
--Three tops with two subs.

Two subjects here:

First, what are the advantages of using the Danley processor over the ones I already have (Ashly and EV)?  I cannot find a user guide or manual on the Danley web site.  Where can I find the settings for a non-Danley processor?  Will the settings be different based on the configuration I use (as listed above)?  For example, I have heard that the SH-46's were designed so that two of them arrayed together have a pretty much flat response.  When a third is added, are any adjustments to the processor needed?  Does the Danley processor contain presets for the SH-46's and the TH-118's?  Does it have presets based on how many of each are used in a stack or array?

Second, regarding amplifiers.  I currently have some PL380's (2500wpc at 4 ohms), PL3.4's (3400w bridged at 4 ohms), and PLX2402's (2400w bridged at 4 ohms).  I was thinking of using the PL380's for the SH-46's, one speaker per channel, then use the PL3.4's for the TH-118's, one speaker per amp, bridged.  Spec-wise that looks like the best idea to me, in order to match up to the respective Danley speakers.  Does that seem reasonable?

Thanks for your help!

FIRST You need to change your name to your full real name-or the thread will get locked.

The website is in a state upgrade.  I will send a note to get the DSP owners manual back up.

The Danley DSP is a basic 4x8 processor.  It does not contain any specific Danley products (except when you order one with the Jericho products-then it has the specific unit in question in it.).  It has memories (which are whole unit presets) not specific product presets that can be "pulled in".  Danley can provide presets for various products that can be entered into the unit.

As long as your current DSPs contain the normal processing elements-they should be fine.  It does not take a lot to bring the products to life.  Just high and low pass filters and a couple of eq points.  Danley demos typically don't use any eq-just high and low pass filters.

Power wise  your idea seems fine.  However I try to avoid bridging amps into subs.  I would suggest running the TH118s on the PL380s and the Sh46s on the 3.4s-all in normal mode (ie not bridged).  Yes the power may appear to be low on the 46s in normal mode-but I bet you will be fine.

In general you don't have enough TH118's to keep up with the number of Sh46s you have.  Program material depending.

The only thing that will happen when you have 3 46s (as compared to 2) is that the low end (below around 300hz or so) will get louder.

Since the 46 has a large horn-the mids and highs "stay" where they are pointed and do not interfer with each other.  The lows will sum together-because the wavelengths are large as compared to the size of the horn mouth.  And the cabinets will be close enough together (as compared to the wavelength) so there won't be interactions.

[Doug Fowler]

Congratulations, you will have a seriously nice PA. 

[Matt Merritt]

As long as your current DSPs contain the normal processing elements-they should be fine.  It does not take a lot to bring the products to life.  Just high and low pass filters and a couple of eq points.  Danley demos typically don't use any eq-just high and low pass filters.

Power wise  your idea seems fine.  However I try to avoid bridging amps into subs.  I would suggest running the TH118s on the PL380s and the Sh46s on the 3.4s-all in normal mode (ie not bridged).  Yes the power may appear to be low on the 46s in normal mode-but I bet you will be fine.

In general you don't have enough TH118's to keep up with the number of Sh46s you have.  Program material depending.

The only thing that will happen when you have 3 46s (as compared to 2) is that the low end (below around 300hz or so) will get louder.

Thanks, Ivan, for the information. I have a few more questions, if you don't mind.

Where can I get the info regarding the high/low pass filters and the peq settings for the 46's and 118's?  Is that something that you can post?

Why do you not like bridging amps for subs?  Bridging the PL3.4's would get much closer to the specs for the TH-118's.

How many TH-118's should I have to even out the system? (will be a future thing, but I might as well start planning for it now...)

Thanks.

[Matt Merritt]

Congratulations, you will have a seriously nice PA.

Thanks, Doug.  I'm hoping that's the case.  Do you own Danley's?

[Frederik Rosenkjær]

As Ivan has also hinted, and as both a Danley dealer and SH46/TH118 owner and user, in most cases I would rather have 4 x SH46 and 8 x TH118 and even then you might run out of sub juice first. But of course this is without knowing your requirements with regard to dispersion, SPL, genres and so on.

[Matt Merritt]

As Ivan has also hinted, and as both a Danley dealer and SH46/TH118 owner and user, in most cases I would rather have 4 x SH46 and 8 x TH118 and even then you might run out of sub juice first. But of course this is without knowing your requirements with regard to dispersion, SPL, genres and so on.

Well, so I may be a little shy on the subs for now, but I'm encouraged by what you said.  Evidently that means with your experience with the SH-46's, those tops can really get after it, and from what I've read, they will sound amazing while they're doing it.

[Matt Merritt]

But of course this is without knowing your requirements with regard to dispersion, SPL, genres and so on.

As to dispersion, most of the shows I do will be with two tops per side.  I got the extra 46's for the occasional outdoor gig where I need to get some more coverage left and right.  As for the spl, sometimes toned down, but sometimes as loud as I can get it with it still sounding good    (and equipment protected, of course).  Genres--all kinds of country, some rock, sprinkled with a variety of others.

[Ivan Beaver]

Thanks, Ivan, for the information. I have a few more questions, if you don't mind.

Where can I get the info regarding the high/low pass filters and the peq settings for the 46's and 118's?  Is that something that you can post?

Why do you not like bridging amps for subs?  Bridging the PL3.4's would get much closer to the specs for the TH-118's.

How many TH-118's should I have to even out the system? (will be a future thing, but I might as well start planning for it now...)

Thanks.

As Frederick says-a ratio of twice as many subs to tops (Sh46's) is a good start.  But the Th118 is no slouch-3 per side will do very nicely.

When you bridge an amp-the damping factor goes in half (due to twice the source impedance).  But depending on the rest of the wiring scheme-it may not amke much of a difference.  I can't give you an exact reason-but I "feel" the sound is not as tight.

I wouldn't get to "hung up" on several hundred watts (when you are talking the levels you are.  Remember that it takes twice or half the watts to only make a 3dB difference.

It also depends on the type of source material you are running-as far as how to "power" loudspeakers.  If you are doing low crest factor (highly compressed) type of material-you would generally be better running closer to the continuous (or even below) and keeping the amps from clipping.

If running "normal fairly dynamic material-then you can safely use the large "wattages" with the cabinets.

I don't have access to those files (alignments) with the computer I am on and won't until next week.  But I can get them for you.  Maybe Fredrick could give you his basic settings.

[Matt Merritt]

 Remember that it takes twice or half the watts to only make a 3dB difference.

I've beard that before, but it doesn't "feel" right sometimes.   Take the PL380 for instance, which is rated at 2500 wpc at 4 ohms.  Are you saying that a 1250 watt amp would only make a -3DB difference, and a 625 watt amp would make a -6DB difference? And on the other end, it would take a 5000 watt amp to make a +3DB difference and a 10,000 watt amp would make a +6DB difference?  Just wondering if I'm understanding that correctly.