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[richard penrose]

Hi,

I'm currently looking to upgrade my current pair of JBL EON 15G2's to use with live bands. I would like to be able to put a reasonable amount of kick, bass, 4x vocals, keys and guitar. I would also like to add trumpet and sax on occasions.

I have been doing this quite successfully with my EON15G2's for a few years but would like more power, clarity and bass without having to use subs (if possible). The maximum weight I want to be carrying is around 20-22kg.

I have tried the new JBL EON 515XT's but found that these didn't have as much bass extension as the older EON 15G2's (though on paper the are quoted to be the same). They also didn't cope as well at higher volumes of bass and suffered from a little port noise.

I've been doing quite a bit of research and have shortlisted the following within my rough budget £1500 :-

Turbosound Milan MI5
Yamaha DXR15
FBT Promaxx 14a

Has anyone on here had any experience with any of the speakers mentioned?

Which would you recommend for using with full bands in rooms holding around 250 people with kick and bass going through them and reasonably high volumes 130db+?

Thanks

[Marcus Baeumler]

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I've been doing quite a bit of research and have shortlisted the following within my rough budget £1500 :-

Turbosound Milan MI5
Yamaha DXR15
FBT Promaxx 14a

Has anyone on here had any experience with any of the speakers mentioned?

Which would you recommend for using with full bands in rooms holding around 250 people with kick and bass going through them and reasonably high volumes 130db+?

Thanks

That is not going to work.

First you may want to check your 130 dB+ requirement. You really do not want to punish your audience with that kind of SPL. Or you possibly need to specify exactly what this figure relates to? Max. Peak SPL from the tech specs of those speakers?

Then I think that a full band including kick and bass for a 250 people audience at "reasonably high volumes" will require at least one or two additional subs. So scale back the tops to 12" versions and add at least one or two 18" subs to your setup.

Marcus

[Rick Alan]

I love my M15.  Clear and smooth all the way to the back of the room. When you engage the 100mz button the speaker get loud and are still clear.  Plus the M15 have one of the best dsp in that price range.  The only negative I can say is little heavy. 

If you want a lot of bass and drum I would get some subs.  The M18 are ok for the money and would work fine for the kind of music you play.

[richard penrose]

Thanks for the replies guys. I didn't mention I already own a pair of the JBL EON 518S subs. I didn't mention this as I don't want to have to carry subs around by myself. Also for the majority of our gigs I don't need them. Most of our gigs are for around 100-150 people. It's only on the bigger gigs that I've used them and even then it was borderline as to whether I needed them! On the occasions where we've done gigs for 250+ I felt my pa wasn't quite up to it. This year we're hiring a sound company to do those gigs!
On the gigs that have been borderline as to whether we need subs I've felt that a pair of better tops with more output and better bass response would be all we need.

I've been reading some reviews of each of the speakers on my list and they are all said to perform similar to a setup with subs. Don't get my wrong, I'm not expecting ANY 2way speakers to have more bass than my 18inch subs but if I can get something better than my current 15G2's then I'll be happy.

[richard penrose]

Any more thoughts/user experiences of the speakers I've mentioned?

Which of these would be able to handle a small amount of bass and kick drum the best whilst maintaining clarity?

[Samuel Rees]

A 3-way or 2x15" can get you some more extension. PRX635 and KW153 are popular.  QSC K and KW series have a multiband comp of sorts you can switch on to increase low end response. This js on all their boxes not just 3ways. It's never going to get much better though, in terms of bass extension, just using 'top boxes'.
 
You could get a smaller and lighter sub also. KW181 is very compact, light, and comes with castors.

[richard penrose]

A 3-way or 2x15" can get you some more extension. PRX635 and KW153 are popular.  QSC K and KW series have a multiband comp of sorts you can switch on to increase low end response. This js on all their boxes not just 3ways. It's never going to get much better though, in terms of bass extension, just using 'top boxes'.
 
You could get a smaller and lighter sub also. KW181 is very compact, light, and comes with castors.

Thanks for the reply. I've already considered going that route but the speakers mentioned are at least as heavy as my subs which defeats the object.

My JBL EON15 G2 have been great for the majority of gigs on their own and I only use my subs occasionally. On the few times that I have used the subs it was debatable as to whether I needed them. As a result, I feel that if I had a pair of speakers that were a little louder with even better bass response I would be sorted. If the gig was big enough that I needed subs at a high level then I would prefer to hire in a sound company.

Basically what I looking for is a pair of tops that go go louder than my EON15 G2's, have greater bass response and clarity. The Turbosound Milan MI5's, Yamaha DXR15's and FBT Promaxx 14a's seem to be the pick of the bunch that are 22kg or under and cost £1500 or less.

What I'd really like to know is which of these three has the best bass response and would be most suitable for what I want??

[Samuel Rees]

I don't think you are going to get a huge amount of answers on this topic. No one cares about how low the boxes go that much. But, if you really want to, choose a box that has controls for bass enhancement on its DSP processing. DXR15 has it, QSC KW152 has it. Don't know about the others.

[Othmane Alaoui]

Thanks for the reply. I've already considered going that route but the speakers mentioned are at least as heavy as my subs which defeats the object.

My JBL EON15 G2 have been great for the majority of gigs on their own and I only use my subs occasionally. On the few times that I have used the subs it was debatable as to whether I needed them. As a result, I feel that if I had a pair of speakers that were a little louder with even better bass response I would be sorted. If the gig was big enough that I needed subs at a high level then I would prefer to hire in a sound company.

Basically what I looking for is a pair of tops that go go louder than my EON15 G2's, have greater bass response and clarity. The Turbosound Milan MI5's, Yamaha DXR15's and FBT Promaxx 14a's seem to be the pick of the bunch that are 22kg or under and cost £1500 or less.

What I'd really like to know is which of these three has the best bass response and would be most suitable for what I want??

Hello Richard,

Without subs, its very difficult to get what you need but the boxes specified are all good. The Turbosound doe's sound good. The G2 are still very good and used speaker. If you need more output, you migth have to change for bigger tops, look at the NX750P from Yorkville. They do a great job with a better low end response and they will offer you plenty of power. If you need more power, you will have to invest a bit more !

Thanks,

Othmane

[richard penrose]

Hi Othmane,

Thanks for the suggestion. I've just had a quick look at the Yorkville's you suggested. From the quoted specs on their website they weigh 28kg which is pretty much the same weight as my EON 518S subs. I am looking for something lighter than these subs (preferably 22kg max) else I might as well keep the subs that I already own.

I've picked out the DXR15's, Turbosound MI5's and FBT Promaxx 14a's because they all weigh 22kg or under. Also, from the reviews I've read on these quite a few people say they sound like there is a sub with them?
I realize that they won't have anything near as much bottom end as a system with subs, if I can find a pair of tops that have better bass response than my EON15 G2's and sound both clearer and louder then I will be very happy!

Has anyone on here had any experience with any of these and the EON15 G2's?