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Author Topic: HELP! Transition from JBL SRX to Line Array sound.  (Read 1379 times)

Ray Aberle

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Re: HELP! Transition from JBL SRX to Line Array sound.
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2012, 07:22:03 pm »

(snip)Your best bet might well be working with a provider, even if gaining experience means working for nothing.

+1. Your other alternative is to produce your own event or sub in the larger company to provide "Racks and stacks," and at that point, since they're on "your dime," you can insist on learning about the configuration process.

Nils makes an excellent point about rigging-- and learning to rig it safely.

Once you do get to the point where you're investing in a line array system, the manufacturers often offer training classes on how to configure and deploy their systems. There's been many comments over here through the years about poorly deployed line array systems. The only thing worse then not having a line array system when you need one... is having one and not using it correctly. That can be more damaging to your reputation then not having Enough Rig For The Gig.

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Jaime Fernandez

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Re: HELP! Transition from JBL SRX to Line Array sound.
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2012, 07:44:12 pm »

So how is running sound (operating the console) any different for a line array than a "regular" speaker system?  I could be wrong-but I can't image that you would do anything different. 

I agree with what u say here...but I think it was just those sound guys being mean...because they did not even allow me to be beside them telling them what to tweak. I know that only having one will not teach me how to do a big rig. I want to learn how to connect certain amps to certain number of boxes and other basic stuff. My Plan was having 4 speakers per side but not hung just use the stacking system and set them atop of my subs plus I have 8 SRX728 subs. I guess I misguided yall with my poor explanation. I want to begin using 3-way speakers plus my subs so I guess I should of said beforehand that I want to learn using 4-way and 5-way style sound. I guess we can say I want to interchange my SRX725 with a line array style top depending on how big the club and crowd is.

About the amount of people being over 2,000...that is what I was planning. We have a rodeo place that seats 6,000+ and maybe for High School graduations something like this could be used?

I understand what yall say about working with a rental person that uses line arrays that way it will be easier to learn this but I guess I am in a bind because the closest place where they use line arrays around here is 2.5 hrs away.
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Re: HELP! Transition from JBL SRX to Line Array sound.
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2012, 09:11:36 pm »

Hello my name is Jaime Fernandez and I need the help of more experienced audio engineers to help with my transition from JBL Srx audio to Line array. I need help in many things. First of all I want to know what is an affordable line array speaker I can purchase to test running Line array in my warehouse. I also wanted to know if it is better to start with Active or Passive Line array? And if I go with active Line array what processors would I need. I have a list of speakers I have seen in my range.
Active Speakers:
Db Technologies DVA T4
JBL Vertec 4886
Midian Media MM212A

Passive Speakers:
JBL Vertec 4887A
Staner LAN-800
L-Acoustics Dv-Dosc

I hope yall can help me in this new part of my audio tech I want to do. Thanks
If you are just doing mostly clubs then stick with the SRX gear and get more of it
A full blown line array is big bucks man.   If you can run the SRX gear then you can run
the line array.   There are plus and minus to a line array.   You would have to invest in
rigging to hang the line array on as well.   I really dont think there is a cheap way to go
if you are going to go with line array and subs.    Consider expanding what you have
and invest in better electronics and mics.
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Re: HELP! Transition from JBL SRX to Line Array sound.
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2012, 09:30:39 pm »

. I want to begin using 3-way speakers plus my subs so I guess I should of said beforehand that I want to learn using 4-way and 5-way style sound.
There should be no "4 or 5 way style" sound.

In a proper loudspeaker system, you should not be able to tell how many "ways" a sound system is divided.  You should not be able to hear the different bands nor see it in either the response or phase responses.

If you can-then something is wrong with the system.  The only advantage that a "more way" system has over a single driver is output capability and/or extension on both the high and low ends of the spectrum.  But in the "perfect world" a 5 way system should sound like a very good single driver-just louder.

If you want to "learn" about multiway systems, then instead of buying one to "play with", I would suggest learing about impedance & the loading effect-freq responses-crossover filter types-pattern control-interactions-wavelengths-proper rigging and so forth.

True it is not as much "fun", but you will learn a lot more that will help  you when you get on a real system.

Simply learning how to hook it up is pretty easy-learning the science behind what is happening is a bit more of a challenge.
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Re: HELP! Transition from JBL SRX to Line Array sound.
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2012, 09:57:46 pm »

Ok I get what everyone is telling me. I will consider the option of just adding on to my SRX sound because it will be way cheaper that way. When I use my sound I love the way it sounds but the thing is that sometimes it is hard to hear clearly at every spot in the club. I totally agree with the learning the science behind line array sound because one time I had a gig in Plano, TX and the guy who set up sound had Vertecs for tops and SRX728 for subs and I was excited about the vertecs BUT I believe that my SRX sound was way better. I get more clarity and punch from it than those guys did from their vertecs. I noticed that people would cover their ears when coming close to the speakers and that is something that doesnt happen with my sound...it is loud but does not hurt ones ears. This proves the point many of yall stated about knowing how to make a line array sound good.
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HELP! Transition from JBL SRX to Line Array sound.
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2012, 12:07:24 am »

Stop calling it "sounds". Please. Just stop.
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Re: HELP! Transition from JBL SRX to Line Array sound.
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2012, 07:34:55 am »

Ok I get what everyone is telling me. I will consider the option of just adding on to my SRX sound because it will be way cheaper that way. When I use my sound I love the way it sounds but the thing is that sometimes it is hard to hear clearly at every spot in the club. I totally agree with the learning the science behind line array sound because one time I had a gig in Plano, TX and the guy who set up sound had Vertecs for tops and SRX728 for subs and I was excited about the vertecs BUT I believe that my SRX sound was way better. I get more clarity and punch from it than those guys did from their vertecs. I noticed that people would cover their ears when coming close to the speakers and that is something that doesnt happen with my sound...it is loud but does not hurt ones ears. This proves the point many of yall stated about knowing how to make a line array sound good.
Why do you think a line array will enable you to hear clearly in every spot?

The FIRST THING you have to understand-is that in MANY cases-it is not the tool that makes a system sound good or bad-but RATHER how it is installed/setup/operated.

It's not the arrow-it's the Indian!
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Re: HELP! Transition from JBL SRX to Line Array sound.
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2012, 08:49:15 am »

Hello my name is Jaime Fernandez and I need the help of more experienced audio engineers to help with my transition from JBL Srx audio to Line array. I need help in many things. First of all I want to know what is an affordable line array speaker I can purchase to test running Line array in my warehouse. I also wanted to know if it is better to start with Active or Passive Line array? And if I go with active Line array what processors would I need. I have a list of speakers I have seen in my range.
Active Speakers:
Db Technologies DVA T4
JBL Vertec 4886
Midian Media MM212A

Passive Speakers:
JBL Vertec 4887A
Staner LAN-800
L-Acoustics Dv-Dosc

I hope yall can help me in this new part of my audio tech I want to do. Thanks

Take a look at the Danley SH46 and SH50 type boxes.
They can array well  (if I understand things correctly) and they scale down better than line arrays.
Probably sound a whole heck of a lot better too.
Cheers,
Randy Hyde
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Re: HELP! Transition from JBL SRX to Line Array sound.
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2012, 03:50:46 pm »

Ok I get what everyone is telling me. I will consider the option of just adding on to my SRX sound because it will be way cheaper that way. When I use my sound I love the way it sounds but the thing is that sometimes it is hard to hear clearly at every spot in the club. I totally agree with the learning the science behind line array sound because one time I had a gig in Plano, TX and the guy who set up sound had Vertecs for tops and SRX728 for subs and I was excited about the vertecs BUT I believe that my SRX sound was way better. I get more clarity and punch from it than those guys did from their vertecs. I noticed that people would cover their ears when coming close to the speakers and that is something that doesnt happen with my sound...it is loud but does not hurt ones ears. This proves the point many of yall stated about knowing how to make a line array sound good.

You need to experiment with deploying the rig you have in different ways, most (or all?) of the SRX tops have 75' coverage, that means that you need to pay close attention to the boxes are pointing, both in relationship to each other and also in relationship to the room. The SRX is a great line, I don't see any reason why you would want to upgrade unless you were doing some big A level acts, or very large festivals.
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Re: HELP! Transition from JBL SRX to Line Array sound.
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2012, 09:52:05 pm »

Stop calling it "sounds". Please. Just stop.
ROFL!!
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