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[Iain_Macdonald]

OH OH! Anybody stopped you?

http://w2.eff.org/patent/wanted/patent.php?p=clearchannel

[John Sulek]

Not yet...and my main client has a shelf full of archived shows on ProTools drives.
The touring record guy used to do a multi usb stick burn at the end of each show and run them up to merch as folks were leaving. The merch guy sold pre-paid wristbands that could be exchanged for a usb stick at the end.

[Jonathan 'JP' Peirce]

John Sulek wrote on Wed, 24 November 2010 17:49

Not yet...and my main client has a shelf full of archived shows on ProTools drives. The touring record guy used to do a multi usb stick burn at the end of each show and run them up to merch as folks were leaving. The merch guy sold pre-paid wristbands that could be exchanged for a usb stick at the end.

What's the problem? CC 'owns' these venues.

-No other venue lets artists sell merchandise without getting a cut.
-No other venue (if they know what they are doing) allows bands to sell the recording of their show (whether right after the show or later) without getting a cut.
-This doesn't even mention the stagehands cut.

JP

[John Sulek]

Jonathan 'JP' Peirce wrote on Wed, 24 November 2010 19:13

John Sulek wrote on Wed, 24 November 2010 17:49 Not yet...and my main client has a shelf full of archived shows on ProTools drives. The touring record guy used to do a multi usb stick burn at the end of each show and run them up to merch as folks were leaving. The merch guy sold pre-paid wristbands that could be exchanged for a usb stick at the end. What's the problem? CC 'owns' these venues. -No other venue lets artists sell merchandise without getting a cut. -No other venue (if they know what they are doing) allows bands to sell the recording of their show (whether right after the show or later) without getting a cut. -This doesn't even mention the stagehands cut. JP

Agreed.
It was always treated as part of the merch deal.
I should have been clearer in saying that we already had this in place so it was just part of our merch sales.
And, yes we paid all the venue/stagehand premiums too.

I find the whole "patent" part a bit of a stretch as lots of folks have been doing this for a while now. But their is always an angle if you have enough money for lawyers.

Happy turkey day!

[Charlotte Evans]

Can someone explain what the "stagehands' cut" is? Haven't heard of that.


Have a happy and safe Thanksgiving!  

[Jonathan 'JP' Peirce]

Charlotte Evans wrote on Thu, 25 November 2010 06:06

Can someone explain what the "stagehands' cut" is? Haven't heard of that. Have a happy and safe Thanksgiving!

Standard IATSE contracts have clauses for recording rates. If the band is recording the show for sale, the stagehands will get an increased rate.

JP

[Larry Robbins]

Jonathan 'JP' Peirce wrote on Thu, 25 November 2010 09:17

Charlotte Evans wrote on Thu, 25 November 2010 06:06 Can someone explain what the "stagehands' cut" is? Haven't heard of that. Have a happy and safe Thanksgiving!   Standard IATSE contracts have clauses for recording rates. If the band is recording the show for sale, the stagehands will get an increased rate. JP

A recording "buy out" can significantly increase production costs with a sizable stagehand crew.

[Tim McCulloch]

In contracts with the venue, it is usually called a "commercial use" clause.  It applies when the performance derives income outside of ticket sales, typically television/radio/pay per view broadcasting or video/film recording for non-archival use (i.e. selling a DVD or audio recording which includes that individual performance or inclusion of the performance in a theatrical release).

The most common things are professional sports, live or recorded, but many IATSE Locals found out that souvenir recordings were becoming big sales items and invoked the clause.

There was an attempt to circumvent the Clear Channel/LiveNation patent by use of off-site vision editing and internet streaming delivery (recordable by the buyer), but the combination of higher labor bills and threats from LiveNation have slowed this considerably.

PM me if you'd like to know more.

Have fun, Happy Holidays!

Tim Mc

[Charlotte Evans]

Thankyou for your replies. Interesting.
As a member of BECTU here in the UK there is a paper on their website about "rate agreements between Live Nation/BECTU"......but I cannot access it because I have forgotten my password! DOH!
Have to wait until tomorrow now and phone them for a reset.  

[Andrew Broughton]

Jonathan 'JP' Peirce wrote on Thu, 25 November 2010 07:17

Standard IATSE contracts have clauses for recording rates. If the band is recording the show for sale, the stagehands will get an increased rate. JP

I just love how they get a pay bump for doing no additional work.

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